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re: How does Wisconsin produce so many NFL players
Posted on 4/25/20 at 4:47 pm to BhamDore
Posted on 4/25/20 at 4:47 pm to BhamDore
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Maybe recruiting rankings are just fake?
They most certainly are.
If recruiting services actually broke down film of thousands of HS players, Saban would be paying them millions.
All they really do is rate them based on which schools the players are in contact with.
This post was edited on 4/25/20 at 5:25 pm
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Posted on 4/25/20 at 5:22 pm to AlonsoWDC
quote:half of a player’s rating is the HS he’s going to lol
recruiting services actually broke down film of thousands of HS players, Saban would be paying then millions.
Posted on 4/25/20 at 5:25 pm to AlonsoWDC
Yall, recruiting rankings absolutely matter and absolutely correlate to college success and the draft. I cant believe there are people in 2020 who still refuse to accept this
Posted on 4/25/20 at 5:26 pm to WestCoastAg
So the recruits being contacted by Alabama and Clemson will likely be drafted before the recruits being contacted by Georgia State and Charlotte?
No shite.
No shite.
Posted on 4/25/20 at 5:27 pm to AlonsoWDC
Almost like they are generally better 
Posted on 4/25/20 at 5:30 pm to WestCoastAg
Yeah, but not because the recruiting services know shite otherwise about them.
Posted on 4/25/20 at 5:35 pm to AlonsoWDC
I was responding to you saying they are fake. They arent. I dont care about the actual knowledge of the ranking services, cause in the end they absolutely do matter and have been proven time and time again to do so
Posted on 4/25/20 at 6:16 pm to WestCoastAg
Why rank them? How the hell do you know if the 3rd rated WR is the 21st best player in the country and the 5th best OLB is the 37th best player?
How do you discern the talent difference. One is a 5 star and the other is a 4 star.
LSU just had 4 players drafted in rd 1 that were not even ranked in the top 250 nationally. The best athlete in the draft was rated 3 star and not in the top 400.
The rankings are bull shite. They rate players based on offers from the perceived best schools. Any moron can do that. They rank players based on which all-star game players choose to play in, and they throw schools that have a lot of pay site subscribers a bone by overrating schools like Texas and Tennessee.
It's just for entertainment to make it through the long off season.
How do you discern the talent difference. One is a 5 star and the other is a 4 star.
LSU just had 4 players drafted in rd 1 that were not even ranked in the top 250 nationally. The best athlete in the draft was rated 3 star and not in the top 400.
The rankings are bull shite. They rate players based on offers from the perceived best schools. Any moron can do that. They rank players based on which all-star game players choose to play in, and they throw schools that have a lot of pay site subscribers a bone by overrating schools like Texas and Tennessee.
It's just for entertainment to make it through the long off season.
Posted on 4/25/20 at 6:19 pm to BhamDore
Posted on 4/25/20 at 6:37 pm to WestCoastAg
Again you are wrong.... I’ve seen 2 stars turned into 5 stars and 5 stars turned into two stars. It all depends on how they are developed once they get to school.
Posted on 4/25/20 at 6:39 pm to Jack Ruby
Bob Bostad has had a lot to do with their success. He was their TE coach in 2006 and 2007. He became their OL coach in 2008, and stayed until 2011. He left for the NFL in 2012.
When he came to Wisconsin, they were turning two and three star OL into NFL draft picks. By the time he left, they could recruit four star guys regularly.
He came back to Wisconsin in 2017 as their ILB coach.
https://uwbadgers.com/sports/football/roster/coaches/bob-bostad/1137
Was hoping Coach O might go after him when he hired Coach Cregg as LSU's OL coach.
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Eight of the offensive linemen he tutored over his four seasons went on to become NFL draft picks, including three first-round selections in Gabe Carimi, Kevin Zeitler and Travis Frederick.
Frederick became the NFL’s highest-paid center in 2016 and Zeitler signed the largest contract by a guard in NFL history in 2017, the same year another of Bostad’s players, Rick Wagner, became the league’s highest-paid right tackle.
Bostad coached tight ends in his first two seasons at Wisconsin, with three of his players at that position — Owen Daniels, Travis Beckum and Garrett Graham — also drafted by NFL teams. Beckum was a first-team All-American and finalist for the John Mackey Award in 2007 and set both UW’s single-season and career records for receptions and receiving yards by a tight end.
Four of Bostad’s offensive linemen earned first-team All-America recognition: Carimi and John Moffitt in 2010 and Peter Konz and Zeitler in 2011. As a senior, Carimi was a unanimous consensus All-American and winner of the 2010 Outland Trophy.
Amazingly, 11 different offensive linemen earned All-Big Ten honors during Bostad’s four-year run with that unit, including five first-team picks in Carimi, Moffitt, Konz, Zeitler and Josh Oglesby.
Wisconsin boasted the Big Ten’s most potent offense over Bostad’s final three seasons on staff, leading the league in scoring each year and posting the two highest scoring averages in school history during its conference championship seasons of 2011 (44.1 points per game) and 2010 (41.5).
When he came to Wisconsin, they were turning two and three star OL into NFL draft picks. By the time he left, they could recruit four star guys regularly.
He came back to Wisconsin in 2017 as their ILB coach.
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His first season on the defensive side was a success, with his linebackers contributing to a unit that was among the nation’s best while leading the Badgers to a school-record 13 wins and Orange Bowl title.
T.J. Edwards led the way for UW’s inside linebackers and finished runner-up for the Butkus Award, presented annually to the nation’s best player at the position. Equally adept at disrupting opponents’ rushing and passing attacks, the first-team All-American snagged four interceptions — matching the most by a Power Five conference linebacker — and returned one for a touchdown to go along with seven pass breakups.
He logged 11.0 tackles for loss and finished second on the team with 81 total stops, trailing only fellow junior inside ’backer Ryan Connelly, who paced the Badgers with 88 tackles.
Bostad’s linebackers were key to a dominant defense that saw Wisconsin finish the season ranked No. 2 nationally in total defense (262.1 yard per game), No. 3 in scoring defense (13.9 points per game), No. 3 in rushing defense (98.4 ypg) and No. 1 in passing efficiency defense (96.4).
Edwards, a first-team All-Big Ten pick for the second straight year, and Connelly, a Butkus Award semifinalist, were the heart of the Badgers' defense again as seniors in 2018. Edwards finished with team-high 113 total stops and 11.5 TFLs, with Connelly adding 89 tackles and 10.0 TFLs.
Edwards finished his career with the most interceptions by a linebacker in school history, with 10.
https://uwbadgers.com/sports/football/roster/coaches/bob-bostad/1137
Was hoping Coach O might go after him when he hired Coach Cregg as LSU's OL coach.
This post was edited on 4/25/20 at 6:51 pm
Posted on 4/25/20 at 6:51 pm to AlonsoWDC
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They most certainly are.
If recruiting services actually broke down film of thousands of HS players, Saban would be paying them millions.
All they really do is rate them based on which schools the players are in contact with.
this is unbelievably false
Posted on 4/25/20 at 6:54 pm to dukke v
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gain you are wrong.... I’ve seen 2 stars turned into 5 stars and 5 stars turned into two stars. It all depends on how they are developed once they get to school.
a far higher percentage of 5* go on to become first round picks and far more 2* remain unknown. You notice the 5* that flops and the 2* that becomes a star.
Posted on 4/25/20 at 7:09 pm to BhamDore
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How do you discern the talent difference. One is a 5 star and the other is a 4 star.
IDK, you have eyes and a brian
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LSU just had 4 players drafted in rd 1 that were not even ranked in the top 250 nationally.
This is not true. Chaisson was #37 in the 247 composite and #11 by 247's rankings. Queen was 298 a 4*. Justin Jefferson was not rated not because no one thought he would qualify not because they "missed".
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The best athlete in the draft was rated 3 star and not in the top 400.
I assume you mean Simmons, though not sure what "best athlete" has to do with anything. Young and Okudah were 5* top 10 players, Jeudy was also a 5*
Posted on 4/25/20 at 7:22 pm to CP3LSU25
Posted on 4/25/20 at 8:04 pm to H-Town Tiger
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This is not true. Chaisson was #37 in the 247 composite and #11 by 247's rankings. Queen was 298 a 4*. Justin Jefferson was not rated not because no one thought he would qualify not because they "missed".
It is true. Chaisson was the 1 of 5 LSU players taken rd 1 that was a top 250 player. The other 4 were not top 250 prospects coming out of high school. None of the 5 were top 32 prospects or 5 stars according to recruiting sites, but all were chosen by NFLa talent scouts as top 32 or 1st rd picks.
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I assume you mean Simmons, though not sure what "best athlete" has to do with anything. Young and Okudah were 5* top 10 players, Jeudy was also a 5*
"Best athlete has a lot to do with it. Its why they have T-shirt camps and the combine. It's why Ruggs was the 1st WR off the board.
Simmons a player that ran in the 4.3s at 238lbs and has a 39 inch vertical was rated 3 stars and was not in the top 400 because he lived in Kansas and was flat out missed. These recruiting websites dont have near the resources to properly rank these kids.
You mentioned they got projected 2 kids right like that's some accomplishment lol. Anyone that watched those two in high school could've predicted that.
They are abysmal at ranking the kids that should be the easiest to project.
There are about 25 to 30 kids every recruiting cycle that are clearly above the rest. Then after that it's a crap shoot. They hit on the easy ones at an abysmal clip.
Only 6 players of the top 32 drafted were rated 5 stars. Thats less than 20% of the easy projections. How they hell can the properly project the next 200+ prospects when the talent difference is less discernable? They can't. It's fake.
Posted on 4/25/20 at 8:05 pm to BhamDore
quote:LMAO
Only 6 players of the top 32 drafted were rated 5 stars. Thats less than 20% of the easy projections. How they hell can the properly project the next 200+ prospects when the talent difference is less discernable? They can't. It's fake.
Posted on 4/25/20 at 8:11 pm to Jack Ruby
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There can't be that many overlooked white guys floating around and they all just happen to go Wisconsin.
Yes there can. Also OL and RB
Posted on 4/25/20 at 8:12 pm to chinese58
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Was hoping Coach O might go after him when he hired Coach Cregg as LSU's OL coach.
He's from a town about 30 minutes from Madison. Another home grown talent.
Saying that, I want him back coaching O line as while we still have the rep, their play hasn't been as good as when Bostad was coaching them.
Frankly I'd want Rudolph, the OL coach and OC, gone if not for him supposedly being a good recruiter. He's not nearly as good as Bostad on the OL.
Posted on 4/26/20 at 12:37 pm to crazyatthecamp
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Wisconsin is the only D1 program in the state. You think recruiting services are closely watching the northwoods of the state?
We get a few diamonds just from that aspect. There is a lot of state pride in being a Badger so we can still convince kids to walk on.
We got big people in Wi=good O line consistently. We got blue collar baws here too = good fullbacks and linebackers and tight ends.
Finding the right fast twitch dudes that fit the school and program is the key. WR, DB, DL,QB.
If we get a difference maker at QB, a great passer rusher, a lock down corner and a play making WR all healthy in the same season......Bucky will be in the playoffs.
That's a pretty accurate assessment
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