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re: How do the big ten fans here feel about the additions to your conference the last 10 years
Posted on 1/19/23 at 2:01 pm to bamameister
Posted on 1/19/23 at 2:01 pm to bamameister
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It's Playoff or bust, that's it. Fail that directive and watch the heads roll.
At Bama and Southern Cal, yes, but many other places, no . . . for now.
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Posted on 1/19/23 at 2:19 pm to bgtiger
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Yeah, but Iowas average margin of victory is 4 points in the last 6 years, and lost to "one of the worst FBS programs" this year. Iowa last won the Big Ten outright 20 years before "one of the worst FBS programs" joined the Big Ten. Ironically, Nebraska won two Nattys and multiple conference championships since that point in time.
Typical ‘brasky contingent talking about the glory years and all the national titles earned by stomping the likes of Iowa State, Kansas and Missouri while Oklahoma recovered from the White House era.
Meanwhile, since joining the big ten, they’re 5-18 against the two best programs in the worst division in power 5 and got boat raced by 6 TDs and yielded 70 points in their only title game appearance.
Some of their finer showings against the top tier of the mighty big ten west:
48-17
70-31
59-24
38-17
38-17
40-10
56-14
Since Nebraska joined the big ten, Iowa’s average margin of Victory over them in their 8 wins is 15ppg; Nebraskas biggest win over Iowa was 13, and that was their only win by more than 1 score.
This is the only Power 5 program to not play in a bowl game since 2017 while playing in the least respected division in all of Power 5. They are a combined 13-31 in league play during that span and they haven’t been invited to a major bowl in over 20 years. They’re a legitimate bottom feeder at this point.
This post was edited on 1/19/23 at 3:40 pm
Posted on 1/19/23 at 2:56 pm to jlovel7
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much rather play Alabama, auburn, Florida, and ole miss every year like LSU has done for decades.
LSU barely played Florida and Auburn before 1992.
We managed to turn those into rivalries without a history.
Hell, we played aggy more than those two before 1992. That was a real rivalry that got stopped and reztarted, but most young fans dont comsider them a true rivalry game.
I grew up hating aggy. Never even thought about florida or auburn as rivals till after the 90s
Posted on 1/19/23 at 3:03 pm to jlovel7
To me, Penn State and Nebraska make so much more sense than Maryland and Rutgers. Especially Rutgers. Would be totally fine if the Big Ten dumped their arse.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 3:45 pm to pelicansfan123
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To me, Penn State and Nebraska make so much more sense than Maryland and Rutgers. Especially Rutgers. Would be totally fine if the Big Ten dumped their arse.
Maryland and Rutgers made all Big Ten programs more money and are well respected academic institutions sitting in fertile recruiting grounds. Nebraska has embarrassed the league on the field and in the classroom and it is hard to say whether or not they’re even paying for their seat at the table.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 3:48 pm to magildachunks
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LSU barely played Florida and Auburn before 1992.
We managed to turn those into rivalries without a history.
You are wrong.
LSU played Florida 38 times and Auburn 25 times before 1992. They've played every season since then. By the way, that's 30 seasons. It's not like the permanence of LSU's games with Auburn and Florida popped up a few weeks ago.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 3:53 pm to The Third Leg
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This is the only Power 5 program to not play in a bowl game since 2017 while playing in the least respected division in all of Power 5
Weird argument seeing as though Iowa hasn't done anything of note in that same division.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 4:00 pm to Tornado Alley
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LSU played Florida 38 times and Auburn 25 times before 1992. They've played every season since then. By the way, that's 30 seasons. It's not like the permanence of LSU's games with Auburn and Florida popped up a few weeks ago.
And they played aggy more before 1992.
They have played more total games against aggy than they have against Aubie, and Florida just squeaks past after 30 years of playing every year.
If we didn't lose almost 20 years of games against aggy, it wouldn't be close.
Before 1992, we played aggy every year, not uf or aubie
Posted on 1/19/23 at 4:05 pm to bgtiger
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Weird argument seeing as though Iowa hasn't done anything of note in that same division.
What’s the weird argument? The thread is about schools added to the big ten. Nebraska was given a layup and shot an air ball.
Iowa wasn’t acquired to elevate the status of the league on the football field, and it also hasn’t gone 5 seasons or longer without a bowl game appearance since the 1970s. Nebraska has had 6 straight losing seasons, that’s the same number of losing seasons Put up by Iowa since 1981, over 40 years.
Iowa has always been a middling, but competitive program that steps up into a major type bowl season once or twice a decade. Their longest major bowl drought since the early 80s has been 10 years. They’ve played in 3 since Nebraska last did. Nebraska has been an abject failure since joining the league.
This post was edited on 1/19/23 at 4:40 pm
Posted on 1/19/23 at 4:24 pm to The Third Leg
Iowa couldn't be in any other Conference.
In terms of importance to the Conference, its...
Ohio State
Michigan
Penn State (has more living alumni than any school in the US but Michigan isn't too far behind.)
Wisconsin
Iowa
Wildcard: Rutgers...suck at football but secretly 8th largest alumni in the US.
And then the rest.
Modified it might be:
Ohio State
USC
Michigan
Penn State
UCLA
Wisconsin
Iowa
In terms of national brand, alumni, reach, etc.
In terms of importance to the Conference, its...
Ohio State
Michigan
Penn State (has more living alumni than any school in the US but Michigan isn't too far behind.)
Wisconsin
Iowa
Wildcard: Rutgers...suck at football but secretly 8th largest alumni in the US.
And then the rest.
Modified it might be:
Ohio State
USC
Michigan
Penn State
UCLA
Wisconsin
Iowa
In terms of national brand, alumni, reach, etc.
This post was edited on 1/19/23 at 4:30 pm
Posted on 1/19/23 at 4:33 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
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Iowa couldn't be in any other Conference.
Iowa has been in the league that best suits them since 1899. There would be no reason for them to be anywhere else. They have a reasonably wealthy AD that sits in the top 20 nationally and they don’t allow their major programs to fail to be competitive for long cycles.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 4:59 pm to magildachunks
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LSU barely played Florida and Auburn before 1992.
False. LSU has played Florida every season since 1971 and also played every year from 1953-1967.
They have played 67 times from 1953 to the present date. It's been a yearly rivalry, absent a 4 year gap, for 7 decades.
To put it in perspective, since the 50s, LSU has played Florida more than Alabama. The only two teams they’ve played more have been State and Ole Miss.
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Hell, we played aggy more than those two before 1992.
also false
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Before 1992, we played aggy every year
sort of. starting in the 40s they played from 42-49, then 55 and 56, then 60-75, then 86-95
It was an on and off "every year" affair. And they played sporadically from the late 1800s through the 1920s
This post was edited on 1/20/23 at 12:44 am
Posted on 1/19/23 at 5:40 pm to The Third Leg
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Their longest major bowl drought since the early 80s has been 10 years. They’ve played in 3 since Nebraska last did. Nebraska has been an abject failure since joining the league
No doubt Nebraska has been in shambles as a program for a while, but I think your rivalry hatred of the Bugeaters is clouding your opinion of whether or not they were a good addition to the league. They belong in the BigTen, since the Big 12 is fractured. I am not a Husker fan and I didn't like it for Nebraska, originally, but it has worn on me. They fit. They are Iowa, Minnesota, Indiana, and Illinois but with a better history. They may never be what they were again, but they have the potential to be a solid program. Especially in that division.
It's always weird to me when fans can rationalize Maryland, Rutgers, and even UCLA being invited, but shite on Nebraska.
This post was edited on 1/19/23 at 5:42 pm
Posted on 1/19/23 at 10:02 pm to bgtiger
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It's always weird to me when fans can rationalize Maryland, Rutgers, and even UCLA being invited, but shite on Nebraska.
Maryland and Rutgers have helped the conference collectively, Nebraska has not. Most fans of Big Ten programs were excited for their addition and thought it would raise the leagues competitive profile, especially the West—after the Legends & Leaders stupidity. To say they’ve been a disappointment is an enormous understatement. They’ve done nothing for the league.
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They fit. They are Iowa
Lol. But they’re really not. Nebraska hasn’t sniffed Iowa’s level of on field success the last decade and is now entrenched in a long run of futility not seen in Iowa City since the 70s. They have had 1 consensus All American (their first year) and zero Round 1 picks in the NFL draft since joining. Iowa has 8 consensus AA selections and 6 round 1 picks in that time. Every big ten west program not named Nebraska has at least 1 first round draft pick since they’ve joined. Only Indiana and Rutgers from the East can match this distinction.
It is insane; they’ve become a legitimate doormat program.
This post was edited on 1/19/23 at 10:53 pm
Posted on 1/19/23 at 11:35 pm to The Third Leg
Iowa fan jumping in to say that 4 point margin of victory, well, that's how we like it. If Kirk could win a game 2-0 with the D making a safety, well, it's Joe Burrow smoking victory cigars in the Ferentz house that night.
But seriously, we win ugly, we know it. It's hard nose, old school football. It's not pretty but it works.
The Big Ten West gets so much hate but it's actually pretty awesome for the fans because we all hate each other. It's actually CFB like it's supposed to be. You know why? Because F Wisconsin, that's why!
But seriously, we win ugly, we know it. It's hard nose, old school football. It's not pretty but it works.
The Big Ten West gets so much hate but it's actually pretty awesome for the fans because we all hate each other. It's actually CFB like it's supposed to be. You know why? Because F Wisconsin, that's why!
Posted on 1/20/23 at 6:38 am to SoDakHawk
Nebraska was about as successful as Iowa while they had Pelini, so I agree with the comparison.
Riley and Frost put them in the dumpster. They weren't a tire fire when they joined the B1G.
Saying that, they still have the name to be a pretty good program again. Will be interesting to see if Rhule can do in Lincoln what he did at Baylor.
Riley and Frost put them in the dumpster. They weren't a tire fire when they joined the B1G.
Saying that, they still have the name to be a pretty good program again. Will be interesting to see if Rhule can do in Lincoln what he did at Baylor.
Posted on 1/20/23 at 8:24 am to BuckyCheese
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Nebraska was about as successful as Iowa while they had Pelini, so I agree with the comparison.
Pelini was far above this garbage they’ve become, but let’s look at a 20 season, 6 coaching regime snapshot of this Nebraska program:
Major Bowl Invitations: 0
AP preseason Top 25 Rankings: 10
Final AP Top 10 Teams: 0
Seasons w/losing record: 9
Bowl Record: 6-8
Best Bowl Wins: Alamo / Holiday / Gator
Consensus AA: 3
First Round Draft Picks: 4
Now let’s do Iowa:
Major Bowl Invitations: 3
AP preseason Top 25 Rankings: 9
Final AP Top 10 Teams: 5
Seasons w/losing record: 2
Bowl Record: 9-9
Best Bowl Wins: Orange / Citrus / Outback / Holiday
Consensus AA: 14
First Round Draft Picks: 11
This post was edited on 1/20/23 at 8:43 am
Posted on 1/20/23 at 9:01 am to jlovel7
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How do the big ten fans here feel about the additions to your conference the last 10 years
I'll speak for college football fans as a whole on this one...
Most conference realignment starting in 2010 going forward has been a negative on college football.
aTm, Colorado, Missouri, and Nebraska should still be in Big 12.
Maryland should still be in ACC.
USC and UCLA should be in Pac 12.
Big East should still be a conference.
I am fine with Utah being in the Pac 12 and TCU being in the Big 12 however.
Pretty much every change thought up the past 15 years in college sports as a whole and football especially has been a complete fricking disaster.
Posted on 1/20/23 at 9:21 am to magildachunks
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LSU barely played Florida and Auburn before 1992.
that isn't true for Florida. LSU has been playing them every year since 1971. Never really played before the 50s, but after that it has been regular to annual
True for Auburn, i believe we still have played Rice more than Auburn because LSU liked to have Texas rent-a-wins in Rice and Aggie back in the day.
This post was edited on 1/20/23 at 9:22 am
Posted on 1/20/23 at 9:28 am to grizzlylongcut
quote:lol
Pretty much every change thought up the past 15 years in college sports as a whole and football especially has been a complete fricking disaster.
This post was edited on 1/20/23 at 9:29 am
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