re: How can anyone defend Deshaun Watson after reading the victims testimonies?

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I don't believe the notion that if you settle that means you're guilty.

That's a bit naive thinking IMO.

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So are you in need of a court system to define decent conduct in a person? Have you heard or read the blow-by-blow account by all these women? You read that the judge called it the most "egregious" act ever before the NFL after she considered the details in the case.

At what point does this start mattering how you feel about what happened? That's where people are and frankly, that's where we live. It gets personal.

If I'm a Browns fan, he's not making any money off of me.

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So are you in need of a court system to define decent conduct in a person?

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Nope

I'm in need of facts.

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At what point does this start mattering how you feel about what happened?

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As I've stated, I have no feelings on what happened. I care about the facts in the case.

Facts are that a bunch of women made accusations. That's very damning.

Also facts are that some of those lied to jump on the gravy train AND one of the 25 or 60 or whatever the # is went to the police or want to see Watson tried in a criminal trial. That's a pretty big red flag or just facts that really make you question the 1st fact.

That's basically it.

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Nope

I'm in need of facts.

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You have "facts." What you seem to be in need of is being an eyewitness to these abuses. Wouldn't we all? But that usually has little to do with a court proceeding.

Otherwise, you seem to be incapable of doing exactly what the judge considering the "facts" just had to do and that's to find him guilty as charged based on the "facts."

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You have "facts."

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If you have to call "facts" then it's pretty obviously not an actual fact.

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What you seem to be in need of is being an eyewitness to these abuses. Wouldn't we all? But that usually has little to do with a court proceeding.

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What you're missing is I have no need to shape an opinion and pick a side. What good does that do? What kind of discussion do we have if we all just give our opinion?

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Otherwise, you seem to be incapable of doing exactly what the judge considering the "facts" just had to do and that's to find him guilty as charged based on the "facts."

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"guilty" by way of the NFL'd conduct policy, which tells you what, exactly?

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I didn't realize there was one, so thanks for pointing that out.

It obviously doesn't automatically mean the other girls are lying or they're ALL just on the gravy train, but I 100% agree, it seems pretty common or normal to give more credence to that one girl's story than the rest. Again, doesn't make it right or wrong, just seems a pretty normal way of thinking

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I'm pretty sure there is still one.

I think they all settled with the Texans, but one is holding out with Watson.

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If you have to call "facts" then it's pretty obviously not an actual fact.

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It does if you ever do jury duty.

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What you're missing is I have no need to shape an opinion and pick a side. What good does that do? What kind of discussion do we have if we all just give our opinion?

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I asked you how that conduct makes you feel as a person. Goodell didn't ask that judge to try and read Watson's heart and innermost feelings and thoughts. They ask the judge to consider his conduct and actions in the case based on the "facts." You got her answer.

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"guilty" by way of the NFL'd conduct policy, which tells you what, exactly?

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That the NFL isn't putting up with that behavior.From anyone. Not even the highest-paid player in the NFL.

The court of public opinion will be more ongoing for this pervert.

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Because Sexual Harassment is a Civil Violation not a criminal violatio

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Sexual Harrassment isn't a civil violation. It relates to the work place.

The civil suits were centered around alleged assault.

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Also facts are that some of those lied to jump on the gravy train AND one of the 25 or 60 or whatever the # is went to the police or want to see Watson tried in a criminal trial. That's a pretty big red flag or just facts that really make you question the 1st fact.

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You think the police are going to do anything about a guy getting grabby and asking for a rub and tug, when the guy is also maybe the most famous person in your city?

Even with them women who actually gave in, they wouldn't get anywhere either because they did it even if they were pressured into it. Doesn't mean it wasn't harassment/rape at most or at least morally questionable.

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Yes, I believe the judge, Goodell, and the women's testimony in this case, in spite of the "fact" I wasn't there.

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Couple of points.

1. NEVER believe Goodell. C'mon man

2. The judge only gave him 6 games. If it's as egregious as you're claiming, why did she only give him 6 games and not a full season or more?

3. Stay with me on this one, I'm going to make a larger point but of the 25 girls which ones specifically do you believe and what "facts" or evidence leads you to believe that? I'm not asking for "because the judge said so" or "if 25 said it, you must be guilty." What specific evidence leads you to believe that and exactly how many do you think are true of the 25? Not a guess, based on the evidence, what is the actual # you arrived at that you believe?




Now, I ask all of that in point #3 to make the point...granted, maybe you read all the evidence and can answer all those questions. But if not, then aren't you just taking a wild guess not based on anything directly?