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re: Has a sport ever destroyed itself like NASCAR?
Posted on 6/29/25 at 10:15 am to The Torch
Posted on 6/29/25 at 10:15 am to The Torch
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Part of the problem with NASCAR is the old drivers (Earnhardt Sr, Bill Elliot, Darrell, Petty) all came up poor and raced for pride to put food on the table.
It was live or die and caused all the tension and fighting.
Today's drivers were all born with a silver spoon in their mouth and daddy's money so they just want a participation trophy.
Every sport was like that. Read up on football players in the early days and what they did to survive.
The people running Nascar the past 20 years are who ruined it not the drivers. Their boneheaded decisions. NFL has made some missteps but not nearly as big and as many as Nascar leaders.
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Posted on 6/29/25 at 10:20 am to OU Guy
The third generation is usually the downfall of a family business.
Posted on 6/29/25 at 10:37 am to Florida_Man1981
Competition cautions and going woke did it for me. Will never go back.
Posted on 6/29/25 at 10:38 am to FightinTigersDammit
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The third generation is usually the downfall of a family business.
Exactly! Just like that dumb decision to take the Prime money. Many fans like myself didn’t watch the last 5 races they put on Prime. Has nothing to do with technology or spending money. Has to do with not wanting to support these gimmicks.
Nascar threw away over 20% of their audience for the 5. Prime races. They claimed avg age is now younger lol. No, when you throw away 40% of viewers aged over 55 then by default your avg age is younger by default. They did not gain an equal amount of younger viewers.
Although I watched last night - only because it was good racing - I won’t be watching boring races. I was able to see how easy ot was to do other things during the 5 Prime races boycott and lost any loyalty to watching every race because of it.
At the same time any young viewers they gained during Prime will not watch parades either. So the net result will have been chasing off your most loyal fans plus never gaining loyalty of newer young fans. Their ratings will suffer once they get to more boring races when both age groups don’t watch.
A big culprit is the car and rules changes. The Chase is dumb. Stages are just excuses to show commercials. The crap car is horrible. Too many rules means loss of ability to massage car and every car is too equal this not allowing passing. Last night was exception - cars could pass yet not break away. Should have big ratings.
Also the people in booth are just flat bad. No energy or excitement.
Posted on 6/29/25 at 11:03 am to OU Guy
Yesterday was a good example of why the HP needs to be increased ( or the area the cars get the downforce from)
The speed caused handling issues at the front and created the passing which limited the downforce advantage from the next gen.
You go to 900 or 950 HP and you get rid of a lot of issues this car has
The speed caused handling issues at the front and created the passing which limited the downforce advantage from the next gen.
You go to 900 or 950 HP and you get rid of a lot of issues this car has
Posted on 6/29/25 at 11:09 am to Bestbank Tiger
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three outcome baseball....
I think teams are trying to walk this back some since they've realized it will never win in October, but it'll take years.
Posted on 6/29/25 at 11:17 am to Enzos Tiny Pito
Agree. Add HP, make less downforce and presto.
There were 46 official lead changes - measured at the start/finish line. But there were tons of changes within the laps this doesn’t count. And then all the position changes throughout the race behind leaders.
Chase was in 8th place with 4 laps to go. He worked the traffic perfectly to get back up front. The move he made on teammate to go low and make it 3 wide and got by both was the winning move. Bowman also deserves credit for not lining up behind Kes.
That was the most aggressive driving Chase has done in quite a long time. Hadn’t seen it since his title year.
There were 46 official lead changes - measured at the start/finish line. But there were tons of changes within the laps this doesn’t count. And then all the position changes throughout the race behind leaders.
Chase was in 8th place with 4 laps to go. He worked the traffic perfectly to get back up front. The move he made on teammate to go low and make it 3 wide and got by both was the winning move. Bowman also deserves credit for not lining up behind Kes.
That was the most aggressive driving Chase has done in quite a long time. Hadn’t seen it since his title year.
Posted on 6/29/25 at 11:19 am to Florida_Man1981
As bad as NASCAR is, F1 is infinitely worse.
The politics are ridiculous and the product is unwatchable.
The politics are ridiculous and the product is unwatchable.
Posted on 6/29/25 at 11:22 am to A12 Oxcart
Hate how f1 is going right now even though the actual racing is pretty good right now imo.
Posted on 6/29/25 at 11:30 am to Florida_Man1981
apparently a great race and only 2 pages about it so you look to be correct
Posted on 6/29/25 at 12:25 pm to ChestRockwell
I was listening the the Dale Jr. Dowloads podcast awhile back and Brian France Jr. was on. He admitted that David Hoots threw cautions for phantom debris to force restarts and make things more exciting. He also admitted to going after younger more diverse fans knowing that it would alienate your loyal older audiences.
Posted on 6/29/25 at 12:28 pm to Florida_Man1981
Those racist putting a noose in garage was the last straw
Posted on 6/29/25 at 12:37 pm to danilo
I was so honored when nascar decided to show their overwhelming support of a borderline top 20 driver. I am sure all the fans supported poor lil Bubba…
Posted on 6/29/25 at 12:44 pm to ChestRockwell
Competition cautions … unofficially … have been going on since NASCAR ran its first race.
What people need to understand is that NASCAR has always been about the show more than competition. Bill France Jr. called Bill Elliott in before the 1985 Southern 500 when he was going for the Winston Million and got in his face and told him point blank, “You will NOT stink up our show!”
What people need to understand is that NASCAR has always been about the show more than competition. Bill France Jr. called Bill Elliott in before the 1985 Southern 500 when he was going for the Winston Million and got in his face and told him point blank, “You will NOT stink up our show!”
Posted on 6/29/25 at 12:47 pm to A12 Oxcart
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The politics are ridiculous
What’s this about?
Posted on 6/29/25 at 12:47 pm to The Torch
NASCAR’s biggest problem isn’t woke, it’s the same problem with all sports. Lower, lower middle and middle class people can’t afford to be fans and attend games or races anymore. That’s especially a problem in NASCAR because for 40 years of its existence, those are the people who were the core of NASCAR’s fan base.
Posted on 6/29/25 at 1:25 pm to danilo
NASCAR pushed it over the edge when they forced all the drivers to walk in solidarity with Smollett down pit road, and then they made commercials supporting BLM and George Floyd.
Posted on 6/29/25 at 1:26 pm to InkStainedWretch
Since when? So you're telling me EVERYONE had to come in , say at Talladega or Charlotte at lap such and such? With a yellow beforehand? Thats totally bullshite. The sole purpose is run as many laps during green, and strategize later. Basically its resetting the race. It's why fans like me who've watched it for over 40 years are disinterested now.
Posted on 6/29/25 at 1:34 pm to Bench McElroy
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top fighters refusing to fight each other, promotional and network wars, insane PPV prices for shitty cards, etc
This. There is no world where 5 plus fighters in the same weight class should be 40-0 and all hold different belts. The ufc has kicked their asses to the point they're paying former ufc fighters to box streamers. Who even is the heavyweight champion.
Posted on 6/29/25 at 1:39 pm to InkStainedWretch
NASCAR is chasing after fans who looked down it during its glory days.
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