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Posted on 9/14/18 at 1:07 pm to
Posted by BayouBengals18
Fort Worth
Member since Jan 2009
9843 posts
Posted on 9/14/18 at 1:07 pm to
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Also, there isnt a school in Louisiana with the wads of cash that West Monroe has. No one.


yeah, ok.
Posted by RedPop4
Santiago de Compostela
Member since Jan 2005
14453 posts
Posted on 9/14/18 at 1:08 pm to
Was the new dwelling purchased or rented?
Are they making two house payments and have two mortgages or one and rent?

Makes no sense to pay on an empty residence, just sayin' as I don't know the details.
Posted by BayouBengals18
Fort Worth
Member since Jan 2009
9843 posts
Posted on 9/14/18 at 1:11 pm to
Nevermind.
This post was edited on 9/14/18 at 1:14 pm
Posted by redfishfan
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2015
4425 posts
Posted on 9/14/18 at 1:16 pm to
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Was the new dwelling purchased or rented? Are they making two house payments and have two mortgages or one and rent? Makes no sense to pay on an empty residence, just sayin' as I don't know the details.


I'm not sure of any of that but the handbook states:

quote:

1. Under no circumstances can a family have two legal residences for eligibility purposes under the bona fide
change of residence rule.
2. The original residence shall be abandoned as a residence. It shall be either sold, in the process of being sold,
rented or disposed of as a residence.
3. It shall not be used as a residence by any relative of the student.
4. If the original residence is not in the process of being openly advertised for sale or rent, the family shall have the
utilities disconnected in this residence.
5. All personal belongings, household goods, and furniture, appropriate to the circumstances shall be removed from
the residence, unless the original residence is rented furnished and a legal lease agreement shall state exact
furniture/items to remain in the residence.
6. The mailing address shall be changed and the telephone(s) shall be disconnected from the previous residence.
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
37254 posts
Posted on 9/14/18 at 1:35 pm to
quote:

You cannot maintain separate households for athletic purposes


Not proven. AT ALL.

quote:

Dad was a long time coach. He knows the rule. He just didn't care, Gonna teach that school a lesson for firing me!!!


He's going to teach the school a lesson by moving his son to a different class and from a select school to a non-select school. Some lesson!!!

quote:

Plus, putting his kid on a mag cover, in the new team's jersey. Before he was cleared or enrolled? Dumb. Dumb. Dumb!


He didn't "put his kid" on the cover... the kid was chosen. Yes, the kid wearing a H'ville jersey was stupid.

However, the appropriate punishment isn't a year of eligibility lost.
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
37254 posts
Posted on 9/14/18 at 1:37 pm to
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3. It shall not be used as a residence by any relative of the student.


That appears to be where they got them.

So... because the brother decided not to move with dad, and the parents did not seperate... the kid at issue can't play.

Makes total sense.

So... what if dad filed for divorce, moved out, and took the kid with him. Then, the kid would be eligible?
Posted by choupiquesushi
yaton rouge
Member since Jun 2006
30845 posts
Posted on 9/14/18 at 1:38 pm to
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The way this works is the staff/lower level follows the rules to letter of the rule as best they can. The appeal process then allows additional factors/evidence/issues to be considered. It's like this in many, many aspects of life.

However, the LHSAA appeal process is generally a joke, because you know who runs it? The same principals who do a crappy job running Louisiana schools.

Why would anyone think that crappy principals who run crappy schools would have any sort of ability to run an appeal process?

The LHSAA is broken. This is just the 36376th example of th
Appeals are dangerous.... He should have applied for hardship.... I have sat in several hardship hearings (and reviewed several over the years going back to kevin pond situation) Why they didn't do this is beyond me. Hardship hearings things are very even with about a 70% grant rate... appeals... just like courts - hard to win.


Posted by JJ27
Member since Sep 2004
60737 posts
Posted on 9/14/18 at 1:39 pm to
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Gonna teach that school a lesson for firing me!!!



So he took him to a school that runs the ball 95% of the time to play QB?
Posted by redfishfan
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2015
4425 posts
Posted on 9/14/18 at 1:39 pm to
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Not proven. AT ALL.


So what's the truth? Were there two separate residence? If it was a bonafide move with no separate resident he should be eligible. If there were 2 residence according to the rule he shouldn't be eligible. The recruiting and the "jersey situation" should be a non issue. Was the LHSAA clear in what part of the rules were violated which resulted in his suspension. I'm assuming it's recruiting since the HC was suspended as well.
This post was edited on 9/14/18 at 1:41 pm
Posted by choupiquesushi
yaton rouge
Member since Jun 2006
30845 posts
Posted on 9/14/18 at 1:40 pm to
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So... what if dad filed for divorce, moved out, and took the kid with him. Then, the kid would be eligible?

custody would need to be granted and then it is a 45 day wait - or at least it was 3 years ago when a certain BR school was missing a d1 RB for the first 3 weeks of the season.
Posted by choupiquesushi
yaton rouge
Member since Jun 2006
30845 posts
Posted on 9/14/18 at 1:43 pm to
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So what's the truth. Were there two separate residence? If it was a bonafide move with no separate resident he should be eligible. If there were 2 residence according to the rule he shouldn't be eligible. The recruiting and the "jersey situation" should be a non issue. Was the LHSAA clear in what part of the rules were violated which resulted in his suspension. I'm assuming it's recruiting since the HC was suspended as well.


If the previous residence was not abandoned - it is still considered residence. hence living back at that house gains eligibility. the jersey thing had very little to do with this -
Posted by redfishfan
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2015
4425 posts
Posted on 9/14/18 at 1:46 pm to
quote:

If the previous residence was not abandoned - it is still considered residence.


I agree. It seems like we can't get a straight answer as to if it was abandoned or no. Would you agree if the residence was abandoned the student athlete should be eligible?
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
37254 posts
Posted on 9/14/18 at 1:46 pm to
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Why they didn't do this is beyond me.


Probably because they did not think it would be needed in such a "clear" case as this one.

Unfortunate for them, ignorance of the rules, no matter how stupid the rule is, is no excuse.
Posted by redfishfan
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2015
4425 posts
Posted on 9/14/18 at 1:48 pm to
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Unfortunate for them, ignorance of the rules, no matter how stupid the rule is, is no excuse.


Also no reason for them to be ignorant of the rule. The eligibility portion of the handbook is broken down where you can clearly see the rules. It took me less than 2 minutes to find the rule after clicking on the link.
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
37254 posts
Posted on 9/14/18 at 1:50 pm to
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So what's the truth? Were there two separate residence? If it was a bonafide move with no separate resident he should be eligible. If there were 2 residence according to the rule he shouldn't be eligible.


It appears him and dad moved, brother and wife did not.

So, in any logical sense, the kid had a bonafide move. However, apparently according to the LHSAA handbook, one parent and child can't move away from the second parent and child.

quote:

The recruiting and the "jersey situation" should be a non issue. Was the LHSAA clear in what part of the rules were violated which resulted in his suspension. I'm assuming it's recruiting since the HC was suspended as well.


That's probably where it started. When it became obvious how stupid that was, then it became a split residence issue.

If the only ruling is that the kid did not make a bona-fide move, then Salt's suspension should have been thrown out.
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
37254 posts
Posted on 9/14/18 at 1:53 pm to
quote:

Also no reason for them to be ignorant of the rule. The eligibility portion of the handbook is broken down where you can clearly see the rules. It took me less than 2 minutes to find the rule after clicking on the link.



It is out there for anyone to see. This is true.
Posted by choupiquesushi
yaton rouge
Member since Jun 2006
30845 posts
Posted on 9/14/18 at 1:58 pm to
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So, in any logical sense, the kid had a bonafide move. However, apparently according to the LHSAA handbook, one parent and child can't move away from the second parent and child.

A d1 lineman last year left a high profile school in BR, dad got appt. 3 parishes over tried to enroll son at a school there coach and ad informed him he would not be eligible - he was a senior....


he transferred to his HOME attendance zone school in BR where he played his sr year. the rule is in place to stop shams like that.






it's all pretty clear...

12.3 Administrative Transfers: The LHSAA shall not honor school-system approved administrative transfers that are
granted for the following reasons:
1. To a student attending a school in which his/her parent(s) is employed if the school is located outside of the
student’s home attendance zone.
Exception: The above rule does not apply to a student whose parent(s) is an on-staff full time faculty coach or an
on-staff full time administrator. A coach must provide verification that he/she has been an on-staff full time faculty
coach for a minimum of three previous school years. The transfer of the student shall occur at the first opportunity
to attend after the coach or administrator is hired.
2. To a student attending a school located outside of his/her home attendance zone because of medical or health
reasons.
2018-2019 LHSAA Handbook | 1.12
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3. To a student attending a school located outside of his/her home attendance zone because of academic reasons or
because a specific course(s) is not offered at the school in his/her home attendance zone. A transfer to a magnet
school, a school with a magnet program, or Recovery School District (RSD) public high schools shall be an exception
to this rule, if the transfer meets the requirements outlined in Rule 1.19.
4. To a student attending a school located outside of his/her home attendance zone because an LHSAA sport is not
offered at the school in his/her home attendance zone.
5. All other school system administrative transfers granted a student attending a school located outside of his/her
attendance zone for a reason not covered by any exceptions under the residence and school transfers rule.
1.12.4 Outside the Athletic Attendance Zone: Any student who attends a school outside his/her athletic attendance zone
shall be ineligible to participate in interscholastic athletics at that school for a period of one calendar year from his/her
first day of attendance. Exception: A first year 7th, 8th or 9th grade student who is transferring outside his/her athletic
attendance zone shall be eligible to participate at the sub-varsity level only if the student has attended the first day of
school. The one year period of ineligibility may be waived and the student shall be immediately eligible if:
1. The student continuously attended the entire 7th and/or 8th grades at a middle/junior high school of that same
member school or school system located outside of his/her athletic attendance zone. The school shall be required to
register and certify the student’s eligibility status on the Members’ Only website.
2. Provided the student’s situation is approved by the Executive Director or his/her designee, a non-public student
may be declared eligible provided he/she attends the entire 7th and/or 8th grade school year in a non-public school
operated by the same organization/federation as the high school the student chooses to attend in the 8th and/or
9th grade, and provided he/she enrolls and attends class the first day of school in his/her 8th and/or 9th grade
year. The school shall be required to register and certify the student’s eligibility status on the Members’ Only
website.
3. Transfer from outside the attendance zone: If at any time a student transfers to a member school from outside of
his/her athletic attendance zone, he/she shall be ineligible to participate in interscholastic athletics at that school for
one (1) calendar year from the date of his/her attendance in that school unless he/she transfers under one of the
following exceptions:
a. Bona-fide Move: A student and his parent(s)/guardian(s) make a bona-fide change of residence as defined
in Rule 1.13 of the LHSAA Bylaws.
b. Custody when Parents Live Separate and Apart: A student transfers due to parents living separate and
apart as defined in Rule 1.14 in the LHSAA Bylaws.
c. Military Transfer: Notwithstanding any policy, rule, or regulation of the LHSAA to the contrary, no
student otherwise academically eligible to participate in an extracurricular interscholastic athletic activity
shall be determined ineligible for or otherwise prohibited from participating in such activity at the school
if the student’s transfer to the school was because of a move necessitated by military orders issued to the
student’s parent or legal guardian if the following is applicable:
1. The parent or legal guardian is a member of the uniformed services as defined in R.S. 29:403(13).
2. The student resided with and was supported by the parent or legal guardian prior to the receipt
of military orders by the parent or legal guardian.
3. The military orders constituted a change in duty station such that the move was necessary to
comply with the orders. A student of a military employee who transferred to an active military
base and is residing on the base:
A) is eligible at any school located in the parish where the base is located
B) is eligible at a non-public school that is located outside the parish where the military
base is located that the following is applied:
a) The student was previously attending a non-public school the entire school year
prior to the transfer.
b) The student enrolls in the public or non-public school immediately following
the relocation to the military base. Any school transfer after the initial move will
be subject to standard eligibility regulations. A student of a military employee who
2018-2019 LHSAA Handbook | 1.13
ELIGIBILITY 1
transferred to an active military base and is residing OFF the base is eligible at
Posted by choupiquesushi
yaton rouge
Member since Jun 2006
30845 posts
Posted on 9/14/18 at 2:00 pm to
quote:

Also no reason for them to be ignorant of the rule. The eligibility portion of the handbook is broken down where you can clearly see the rules. It took me less than 2 minutes to find the rule after clicking on the link.
Posted by choupiquesushi
yaton rouge
Member since Jun 2006
30845 posts
Posted on 9/14/18 at 2:05 pm to
[quote]
Probably because they did not think it would be needed in such a "clear" case as this one.

it ain't clear.... not in favor or eligibility
Posted by rmc
Truth or Consequences
Member since Sep 2004
26594 posts
Posted on 9/14/18 at 2:06 pm to
quote:

The LHSAA is broken.


This really can't be said enough.
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