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re: Golf Call-in Infractions only penalize the popular players...

Posted on 4/15/13 at 10:18 am to
Posted by Golfer
Member since Nov 2005
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Posted on 4/15/13 at 10:18 am to
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No, the officials at the tournament should monitor the players for infractions


No. Players should know the rules, and if they don't seek guidance from a rules official. Golfers are to penalize themselves and should do so at all times.
Posted by noonan
Nassau Bay, TX
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Posted on 4/15/13 at 10:18 am to
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Doesnt everyone agree if the rule was just within a certain distance that would be acceptable?


The rule clearly states where to drop the ball. Between where the shot occurred and where it last crossed the water.

Seems pretty clear to me.
Posted by Golfer
Member since Nov 2005
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Posted on 4/15/13 at 10:20 am to
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The rule clearly states where to drop the ball. Between where the shot occurred and where it last crossed the water.

Seems pretty clear to me.


Or from where he last played his shot. Not 2 yards behind where he last played his shot.
Posted by hashtag
Comfy, AF
Member since Aug 2005
33806 posts
Posted on 4/15/13 at 10:23 am to
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Or from where he last played his shot. Not 2 yards behind where he last played his shot.
or from a designated drop zone. There wasn't just one option for Tiger. There were several to choose from.
Posted by STEVED00
Member since May 2007
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Posted on 4/15/13 at 10:31 am to
The officials deemed that it was close enough to the original spot. They changed their minds bc he said he did it to get a better angle.This is the part that bothers me.
Posted by STEVED00
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Posted on 4/15/13 at 10:32 am to
The officials deemed that it was close enough to the original spot. They changed their minds bc he said he did it to get a better angle.This is the part that bothers me.
Posted by noonan
Nassau Bay, TX
Member since Aug 2005
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Posted on 4/15/13 at 10:38 am to
I don't understand why that bothers anybody.
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 4/15/13 at 10:43 am to
Is it confirmed yet that it was Lindsay Vonns ex Husband who called it in?


He said so on twitter. He real mad that Tiger is crushing Linds
Posted by STEVED00
Member since May 2007
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Posted on 4/15/13 at 10:48 am to
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I don't understand why that bothers anybody


So if Tiger dropped 6" right instead of left of original spot bc the right side gave him a better angle then that would be a penalty too? Or if he dropped to the left bc he didn't want slope of fairway to cause ball to roll into divit? Hell all the drop zones have abt a 3 yd diameter.
Posted by hashtag
Comfy, AF
Member since Aug 2005
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Posted on 4/15/13 at 10:51 am to
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So if Tiger dropped 6" right instead of left of original spot bc the right side gave him a better angle then that would be a penalty too? Or if he dropped to the left bc he didn't want slope of fairway to cause ball to roll into divit? Hell all the drop zones have abt a 3 yd diameter.
it all depends on how the committee was feeling that day. it's all in interpretation. The ruling is ambiguous because it just says, "as close as possible." Not a single player on tour is going to try to drop their ball into their prior divot. They are going to try to avoid that at least somewhat. But, that is acceptable. The wording just needs to be changed. give a specific length or use club lengths.
Posted by Captain Ron
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Posted on 4/15/13 at 12:09 pm to
There is enough on-line Masters coverage for anyone else to be called on that penalty.

If John Peterson had hit that shot on 15, they would have showed it over and over in replays along with his next shot.

I guarantee you he would have been asked about it post-round interviews as well.


The guy who called in and had Stadler DQ'd years ago for putting a down a towel (to prevent his knees from getting wet) as he hit a shot under a very low branched tree from his knees needs to have his arse kicked. He was DQ'd for improving his stance.
This post was edited on 4/15/13 at 12:11 pm
Posted by STEVED00
Member since May 2007
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Posted on 4/15/13 at 12:38 pm to
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There is enough on-line Masters coverage for anyone else to be called on that penalty.


Yes and no. The # of eyes on every shot Tiger hits is way higher than the # of eyes on the avg Joe Blow golfer so the % that Tiger gets caught is a whole lot higher.

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If John Peterson had hit that shot on 15, they would have showed it over and over in replays along with his next shot.


If he hit the exact same shot then maybe (though the public disdain for him is not even in the same stratosphere as Tiger); however, if he just routinely put it in the water then no one prob would've caught bc it would prob not been on TV. Whereas, if Tiger just routinely put it in the water then CBS would have surely shown the footage so the same guy prob still would've called it in.

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I guarantee you he would have been asked about it post-round interviews as well


THat is assuming that the press covers it. Do all players address the press after a round??
Posted by STEVED00
Member since May 2007
23163 posts
Posted on 4/15/13 at 12:46 pm to
Back on subject. The USGA just needs to have a staff of people reviewing tape constantly if they feel players not knowing the rules is such a big issue.

Leaving it to the TV audience to catch errors is crap bc TV only shows the big names and memorable shots on the 1st couple days of any tournament. TV won't catch Y.E. Yang illegally grounding his club in a trap on the 5th hole of day 1.
Posted by lsugolf1105
BR
Member since Aug 2008
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Posted on 4/15/13 at 12:51 pm to
curious, did tiger ever say which option he chose on the bad drop? was it the original spot option or the point it last crossed and the flag option?
Posted by molsusports
Member since Jul 2004
37588 posts
Posted on 4/15/13 at 1:05 pm to
I do think the idea that the more popular players will be subjected to a greater degree of rule scrutiny is unfair.

Having said that, I find it weird as hell for anyone to claim Tiger shouldn't have known he was breaking the rules when he attempted to play his shot from a better strategic location (further away) than his prior shot. I guess he really didn't know (because he admitted to trying to do this and really him admitting this is the only absolute evidence against him).
Posted by noonan
Nassau Bay, TX
Member since Aug 2005
37014 posts
Posted on 4/15/13 at 1:28 pm to
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THat is assuming that the press covers it. Do all players address the press after a round??


This is completely the wrong line of thinking. I've heard reporters say that tiger should just quit giving post round interviews if he could possibly be assessed a penalty.

That completely flies in the face of the spirit of the game. If tiger quits giving interviews, or anyone for that matter, to avoid a penalty then they are cheating the game.
Posted by Wishnitwas1998
where TN, MS, and AL meet
Member since Oct 2010
64519 posts
Posted on 4/15/13 at 1:39 pm to
What kills me about the whole tiger thing is that the rules committee said it was fine then he goes in the post round interview and says he dropped it from 2 yards behind and suddenly that's a problem.

My issue is that shouldn'tve the rules committee investigated the video to see where he dropped it in the first place? It's not like the video would be hard to get but no they just left it up to chance that it would come up in the interview otherwise tiger would've have gotten away with an illegal (or so I'm told) drop

ETA: what other sport is that casual with its rules? NASCAR is structured very similarly to golf in this regard and they would've gotten to the bottom of the situation from the beginning
This post was edited on 4/15/13 at 1:41 pm
Posted by Sherman Klump
Wellman College
Member since Jul 2011
4571 posts
Posted on 4/15/13 at 2:28 pm to
Make them hit of their divot next time. Problem solved. No grey area.
Posted by noonan
Nassau Bay, TX
Member since Aug 2005
37014 posts
Posted on 4/15/13 at 3:17 pm to
I don't understand where people are finding a grey area. The rules are clearly stated.
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
115917 posts
Posted on 4/15/13 at 3:32 pm to
Call ins are BS.
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