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re: Golf Call-in Infractions only penalize the popular players...
Posted on 4/15/13 at 8:22 am to noonan
Posted on 4/15/13 at 8:22 am to noonan
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Not really.
If a rule is broken, you are supposed to get a penalty. Golf is not about trying to get away with it.
This is not about getting away with it. This is about treating everyone in the tournament the same. Should Tiger be held to a higher standard then Joe Blo golfer? If USGA finds that a golfer tries to bend the rules then they should discipline them outside of the tournament with tournament bans etc.
People are not luke warm about Tiger so he gets a lot more love and hate then all the other golfers. People would prob feel a lot different if this would have happened to Rory or Phil.
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Posted on 4/15/13 at 8:23 am to noonan
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In golf, you police yourself
Well, obviously not. And I think the PGA (especially for the majors) can easily monitor every shot. Just have a truck on site with guys assigned to each hole watching each shot on a monitor. Don't they have to do something like this to verify scorecards anyway?
Posted on 4/15/13 at 8:25 am to etm512
with this "call-in rule", what time limit do the rules' officials set for when their calls are final? If someone calls in with the pic showing Tiger not dropping illegally, would they be able to go back and give him his two strokes back? If someone calls in and says that Adam Scott grounded his club in the sand trap on a hole from the 3rd round, will they go assess him a two stroke penalty and take away his green jacket?
And if not, how hypocritical is that?
And if not, how hypocritical is that?
Posted on 4/15/13 at 8:27 am to unbeWEAVEable
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I'm not saying that Tiger did or didn't know the rule, but just wanted to point out that all would be surprised at how many pro's don't know even the simplest rules.
I can believe that, but even so, ignorance of a rule doesn't keep you from getting penalized.
I'm not saying he should have been dq'ed. I kinda feel like 2 strokes was enough since the officials questioned the drop twice but never talked to tiger about it.
If they had stopped him before signing the card and said there was a question about his drop, then there wouldn't be a controversy.
Posted on 4/15/13 at 8:31 am to noonan
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If they had stopped him before signing the card and said there was a question about his drop, then there wouldn't be a controversy.
Ummm. They did and they cleared him prior to signing his card. Controversy happened after his comments at presser.
Posted on 4/15/13 at 8:33 am to STEVED00
quote:yep, and that my friends is my problem. How long can they decide to change their mind? How long is too long and when is their "final judgement" actually final? Tiger should have made a much bigger deal about how disastrous this was handled. It was terrible and sets a terrible precedent for rules' officials going forward.
Ummm. They did and they cleared him prior to signing his card. Controversy happened after his comments at presser.
Posted on 4/15/13 at 8:35 am to STEVED00
The Masters officials stated they did not meet with Tiger until Saturday. The controversy happened not so much because of the calls, which I think people are way overrating, but because Tiger accidentally admitted to a rules violation in his post-round presser. If he doesn't make those comments, I don't think he gets a penalty. But once he said he did not drop the ball as near as possible to his shot, the Masters officials kinda had to issue a punishment.
Posted on 4/15/13 at 8:38 am to STEVED00
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Ummm. They did and they cleared him prior to signing his card. Controversy happened after his comments at presser.
Well then he absolutely should have been disqualified.
End of story.
Posted on 4/15/13 at 8:39 am to Baloo
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If he doesn't make those comments, I don't think he gets a penalty. But once he said he did not drop the ball as near as possible to his shot, the Masters officials kinda had to issue a punishment.
He definitely doesn't get penalized if that interview never happens. And Fred Riley (head of the ruling board for Augusta) said that someone called in about the interview too, and that was why they went back and revisited the situation. So directly from his mouth, it was a viewer call-in that prompted both the original review and the re-review later that night. After the second review, they informed Tiger's reps that night and he met with them at 8 Saturday morning.
Posted on 4/15/13 at 8:39 am to Baloo
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The Masters officials stated they did not meet with Tiger until Saturday.
Im back to saying 2 strokes was enough.
Posted on 4/15/13 at 8:40 am to Baloo
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Baloo
The statement from masters did say that the committee reviewed Tiger's drop and found no fault prior to him signing his card. It went on to say that based on his comments after the round and another call they decided a penalty was needed.
Basically the Masters felt that the distance was acceptable but whatwas not acceptable was that he used that distance to his advantage. IMO, this is the ridiculous part of the whole thing. If tiger would've said he dropped it to the left of his original spot instead of the right bc it have him a better angle then would committee made the same ruling?
Posted on 4/15/13 at 8:41 am to noonan
quote:he should have been disqualified regardless. He signed a bad scorecard, and the rule they used to not disqualify him does not make any sense. It was intended for issues where a player could not have known what they had done without video evidence. Tiger clearly "knew" he had dropped his ball 2 yards back, he said as much. So, the TV rule should not have been used. They used it in an effort of "fairness" because they knew of the possible issue before he signed his scorecard and did not inform him of it.
Well then he absolutely should have been disqualified.
They tried to correct their first mistake by intentionally misinterpreting a rule.
Posted on 4/15/13 at 8:41 am to STEVED00
He dropped the ball two ft from his original shot and we are crying foul?
Posted on 4/15/13 at 8:41 am to CocomoLSU
I don't doubt the Masters blamed a caller, so that way they could distance themselves as far as possible from responsibility for penalizing the world's most popular golfer. They really didn't want to come out and say "Had Tiger kept his trap shut, we wouldn't have done squat based on a phone call from Joe Blow from Nowheresville, Kentucky."
Posted on 4/15/13 at 8:41 am to noonan
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Well then he absolutely should have been disqualified.
How? They initially determined that everything was within the rules.
Also, they didn't "stop him" and talk to him...they just reviewed the situation while he was playing #18, found nothing wrong and cleared him of any wrongdoing, thus allowing his scorecard to be correct when he signed it.
No DQ.
Then later on after the second review and the conversation with him Saturday morning, they assessed a penalty. Because of the new part of rule 33-7 or whatever, he was not DQ'd.
Per the rules, everything went as it should have and he was allowed to continue.
Posted on 4/15/13 at 8:46 am to Baloo
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I don't doubt the Masters blamed a caller, so that way they could distance themselves as far as possible from responsibility for penalizing the world's most popular golfer. They really didn't want to come out and say "Had Tiger kept his trap shut, we wouldn't have done squat based on a phone call from Joe Blow from Nowheresville, Kentucky."
I guess it all comes down to if you believe them or not. Riley said they get dozens of calls every year from viewers and that it's not uncommon at all for that to happen. He also went on to say that they review all of the calls and take action if necessary.
I guess he could be lying, but I won't sit back and say that he's full of shite. Also, several golf organizations agreed that everything happened within the rules. It's not like Augusta officials are the only ones saying this. Everyone agrees with it. Except threeputt.
Posted on 4/15/13 at 8:46 am to fightingtiger2335
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Out of all theae years everyone is freaking out about 1 incident. It wasn't and won't be an epidemic. So lets quit acting like its brand new and popular golfers are fricked.
+1
And more often than not, you know those top golfers are more than likely going to get the benefit of the doubt
Posted on 4/15/13 at 8:47 am to CocomoLSU
What bothers me is that he wasn't penalized for distance from original spot but intent of why he dropped where he dropped. That is totally ridiculous and nit picky. If the distance is acceptable then how is this even an argument. The rule needs to be changed to distance only from original spot. The player will always drop in such a way to make sure the ball doesn't at least land in the original devit. Isn't that an advantage?
Posted on 4/15/13 at 8:52 am to CocomoLSU
quote:Read this:
Per the rules, everything went as it should have and he was allowed to continue.
quote:Tiger clearly knew he dropped the ball 2 yards behind his original shot. This revision should not have allowed Tiger to not be disqualified. They ruled incorrectly.
This revision to Decision 33-7/4.5 addresses the situation where a player is not aware he has breached a Rule because of facts that he did not know and could not reasonably have discovered prior to returning his score card. Under this revised decision and at the discretion of the Committee, the player still receives the penalty associated with the breach of the underlying Rule, but is not disqualified.
Posted on 4/15/13 at 8:54 am to CocomoLSU
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How? They initially determined that everything was within the rules.
Stevo lied to me and said they talked to him. If that had been the case then off with his head. But as I originally thought, they didn't talk to him til the next day, therefore I'm ok will 2 strokes.
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