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re: Golden State is not only the greatest NBA team ever, they're the greatest sports team ever
Posted on 5/14/18 at 11:02 pm to H-Town Tiger
Posted on 5/14/18 at 11:02 pm to H-Town Tiger
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Once they got Durant that argument is gone
Not really.
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Posted on 5/14/18 at 11:03 pm to TbirdSpur2010
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And that's assuming Curry doesn't start draining shite over Jordan from the logo.
No you’re not a prisoner of the moment at all. Jordan is 6’6”’Curry 6’3” maybe.
Posted on 5/14/18 at 11:05 pm to H-Town Tiger
How someone can argue for Jordan's Bulls over GS blows my mind.
As good as Jordan is, his team simply isn't as good as GS. GS is better at every position outside of Jordan's, and they've got 2 of the 3 best players on the court, and 4 of the best 6.
As good as Jordan is, his team simply isn't as good as GS. GS is better at every position outside of Jordan's, and they've got 2 of the 3 best players on the court, and 4 of the best 6.
Posted on 5/14/18 at 11:06 pm to slackster
And it's happening right now, so it must be the best.
Posted on 5/14/18 at 11:06 pm to H-Town Tiger
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No you’re not a prisoner of the moment at all.
Not at all. Been saying this shite for years. Literally.
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Jordan is 6’6”’Curry 6’3” maybe.
And Curry rarely has trouble getting his shot off over players taller than that.
Your point was....?
Posted on 5/14/18 at 11:06 pm to slackster
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So hard to compare given the size of the league.
Obviously.
But imagine Bill with modern tech, shoes, travel, etc.... And all their other HOF’s.
But again, you can only compare accomplishments vs peers.
Same thing will happen 20 years from now regarding GS.
It’s why what you win in your era matters the most
Posted on 5/14/18 at 11:06 pm to slackster
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How someone can argue for Jordan's Bulls over GS blows my mind.
Nostalgia is a powerful thing.
Posted on 5/14/18 at 11:08 pm to Wild Thang
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again, you can only compare accomplishments vs peers.
Same thing will happen 20 years from now regarding GS.
Surely you'll agree that the caliber of competition GS faces far outstrips the Celtic's opponents.
When a team comes along that outstrips GS' attributes/accomplishments, I'll turn around and laugh at those idiots who cling to these Warriors, too.
Sports tends to build upon itself.
Posted on 5/14/18 at 11:08 pm to slackster
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I'd imagine he's talking about the Lakers.
ETA: my reading sucks
This post was edited on 5/14/18 at 11:10 pm
Posted on 5/14/18 at 11:12 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
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And it's happening right now, so it must be the best.
That's kind of how it works though.
Without actual times, plenty in here would say Carl Lewis was faster than Usain Bolt.
Posted on 5/14/18 at 11:12 pm to TbirdSpur2010
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Neither am I. My opinions regarding them have been formed over the past few years,
They’ve been good for 4 years now, proclaiming them the best team ever assembled is the definition of prisoner of the moment
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Yet." Because you see the writing on that wall
No “yet” because it hasn’t happened yet. If they do win it will be 2 in a row, a feat accomplished by the 87-88 Lakers, 89-90 Pistons 91-93 Bulls, 94-95 Rockets, 96-98 Bulls, 00-02 Lakers, 09-10 Lakers and the 12-13 Heat, not exactly a rare feat in the NBA.
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I wouldn’t even concede they are the best NBA team this century and they are not even the greatest “dynasty” this decade
The Lakers and Spurs won 5 titles since 99 and Alabama’s 5 titles in 9 years is much more impressive than what GS has done so far
Posted on 5/14/18 at 11:13 pm to slackster
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How someone can argue for Jordan's Bulls over GS blows my mind
I love how it’s always “prisoner of the moment” type response. Like there is no way they can be better simply because it is in the moment
Weak arse deflection
Posted on 5/14/18 at 11:14 pm to TbirdSpur2010
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Once they got Durant that argument is gone Not really.
There is nothing organic about a 73 win team signing the MVP, it’s makes Durant ultimate bandwagon jumper
Posted on 5/14/18 at 11:14 pm to H-Town Tiger
None of what you're saying matters to the GOAT team argument. Things change season to season. The 16-17 iteration of GS is the best NBA team of all time.
Posted on 5/14/18 at 11:14 pm to TbirdSpur2010
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Surely you'll agree that the caliber of competition GS faces far outstrips the Celtic's opponents.
Perhaps not.
They played against other HOF’s who were peers.
I believe the reason it wasn’t 11/11 was because of Bob Pettit.
Look I’m not saying the modern guys aren’t more highly skilled, but it’s preposterous to think the other players from back in the day wouldn’t have proven to be just as skilled given the same advancements.
That’s not the argument though. It’s peer vs peer.
Are you telling me Elgin Baylor wouldn’t wreck shop right now? Bird or Magic? Pistol?
I mean come on.
Posted on 5/14/18 at 11:17 pm to H-Town Tiger
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They’ve been good for 4 years now, proclaiming them the best team ever assembled is the definition of prisoner of the moment
Nope. Prisoner of the moment is after 1 season or a single playoffs or something. A body of work of 4 years with winning the West and Finals games in the manner they have is more than enough basis to make a solid assessment. This is basketball, not astrophysics.
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No “yet” because it hasn’t happened yet. If they do win it will be 2 in a row, a feat accomplished by the 87-88 Lakers, 89-90 Pistons 91-93 Bulls, 94-95 Rockets, 96-98 Bulls, 00-02 Lakers, 09-10 Lakers and the 12-13 Heat, not exactly a rare feat in the NBA.
Them winning back to back was never my argument. It's yours, and it's a poor one. The Warriors are better than every one of those teams you mentioned, and you know it.
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The Lakers and Spurs won 5 titles since 99
Trust me, I know about the Spurs titles
None of the Spurs or Lakers' playoff runs have been as impressive as these Warriors have been so far. They're basically the version of the Spurs in the 2014 Finals, but with all stars and stretched out over multiple seasons. Posted on 5/14/18 at 11:19 pm to H-Town Tiger
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a 73 win team signing the MVP
That 73 win team was organic. Signing ONE high value FA doesn't mean your team wasn't grown organically.
Come on.
Posted on 5/14/18 at 11:19 pm to whatiknowsofar
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If you had the old league rules then yeah.
The old league rules help the Warriors.
Help defense was illegal. You either had to full on double team or not help at all.
KD is either gonna drop 50 every game, or you can double him and watch anyone else on the Warriors sink uncontested 3's all night.
In no scenario do the 96 Bulls do better than losing in 5.
Posted on 5/14/18 at 11:22 pm to Lester Earl
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love how it’s always “prisoner of the moment” type response. Like there is no way they can be better simply because it is in the moment Weak arse deflection
And someone claiming nostalgia is just as bad. The problem with proclaiming a current team the best ever is we don’t know how the story will end, plus the same argument has been made by other teams of the moment. For GOAT type of discussion you need perspective of time and to see how things play out. The stars are easy but over time the role players are easier to forget. Our side of Curry and KD who knows how the rest of the team will be viewed.
Posted on 5/14/18 at 11:23 pm to Wild Thang
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Look I’m not saying the modern guys aren’t more highly skilled, but it’s preposterous to think the other players from back in the day wouldn’t have proven to be just as skilled given the same advancements.
You're arguing multiple hypotheticals. 1.) Teams from different eras facing off in their respective primes, 2.) One team having the exact same circumstances as the other with regard to prep/training.
I'm only willing to argue the first. It's silly enough as it is. But we know what each team could do in their primes. Comparing both in a vacuum (which is the whole point of this charade), it's obvious which team is superior. That's not to knock the past--like you said, you can only beat who is in front of you with the advancements in the game to that point. My point is that as the game has advanced, so have the athletes and caliber of play, thus necessarily making the teams of today, on average, better than the teams of yesteryear.
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