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re: Freeh report is out: "PSU showed 'total disregard' for Sandusky victims"
Posted on 7/12/12 at 3:19 pm to Sophandros
Posted on 7/12/12 at 3:19 pm to Sophandros
Man this interview with Jay Paterno is sad.....denial is such an ugly thing!
Posted on 7/12/12 at 3:20 pm to Sophandros
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Fair enough, but not really a big deal.
you argued it for 2 fricking pages straight. lulz.
Posted on 7/12/12 at 3:20 pm to Sophandros
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the NCAA shouldn't do anything
How do you respond the to the Ohio State guy's point a few posts up?
Trading tats for autographs certainly didn't provide a competitive edge, yet Ohio State got reprimanded.
Posted on 7/12/12 at 3:21 pm to Buckeye Backer
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Man this interview with Jay Paterno is sad.
Dude literally just said he wishes there was a sign for them to know that Sandusky was a pedo. HOLY frick
The entire Paterno should just stop talking they're making it worse.
This post was edited on 7/12/12 at 3:25 pm
Posted on 7/12/12 at 3:23 pm to LNCHBOX
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Trading tats for autographs certainly didn't provide a competitive edge, yet Ohio State got reprimanded.
I dunno about that - if the players know there are fringe benefits like that the word would definitely get around to recruits.
Seems like the competitive advantage argument is the same whether you're getting a hundred dollar handshake or selling your jersey or getting free tattoos
Posted on 7/12/12 at 3:24 pm to molsusports
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I dunno about that - if the players know there are fringe benefits like that the word would definitely get around to recruits.
If you want to go down that road, I'd argue there is an equal benefit to covering up a child rapist for recruiting purposes. Who would go want to knowingly play for a child rapist?
Posted on 7/12/12 at 3:27 pm to LNCHBOX
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If you want to go down that road, I'd argue there is an equal benefit to covering up a child rapist for recruiting purposes. Who would go want to knowingly play for a child rapist?
you're right - covering up the ugliness of the scandal did have a temporary football benefit
they look even worse now than they would have if they acted back in 1998 (or sooner) - but you can make a case for that point of view.
my personal bias is that PSU should be punished for the cover-up but that their motivations were more personal than football related.
Posted on 7/12/12 at 3:29 pm to molsusports
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Man this interview with Jay Paterno is sad.....denial is such an ugly thing!
The funniest part is that Jay Paterno truly believes that every time he speaks, he is changing people's negative perceptions of his dad.
Not only was Joe Paterno a child predator enabler, Jay Paterno is also becoming a child predator enabler the more he speaks. I'm not sure why this guy would want to have his own face tied to one of the worst crimes that can be committed.
I realize he's your dad and he had a great supposed great legacy prior to this, but there's a time where you need to stop being a douche and admit that your dad fricked up.
This post was edited on 7/12/12 at 3:32 pm
Posted on 7/12/12 at 3:31 pm to CptBengal
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Fair enough, but not really a big deal.
you argued it for 2 fricking pages straight. lulz.
Again, it's not a big deal. You were arguing for the death penalty for 20 pages.
Rational people know that it won't happen.
Posted on 7/12/12 at 3:32 pm to LNCHBOX
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How do you respond the to the Ohio State guy's point a few posts up?
Trading tats for autographs certainly didn't provide a competitive edge, yet Ohio State got reprimanded.
And they shouldn't have. That was a miscarriage of justice.
You don't repeat mistakes hoping that the second time will give you a better result.
Posted on 7/12/12 at 3:34 pm to CptBengal
I really don't get the argument of those saying the coverup of sex crimes against children didn't give Penn State any advantages when it comes to football.
Did Penn State literally gain an advantage by JoePa & other officials covering Sandusky's wrongdoings? No, but the coverup allowed business to go on as usual which prevented the scrutiny & fallout we are currently seeing.
Stevie Wonder can see that if the child sexual accusations & charges were brought up when they were initially noticed, that fallout from those charges would have an affect on the Penn State football program as well as their ability to recruit top prospects.
Anyone with common sense can realize that this scandal will affect Penn State's ability to recruit thus affect the product the Nittany Lions will be able to put on the field.
Those saying that this isn't a NCAA issue, needs to step back & look at the overall picture of the situation. Not only would have bringing Jerry Sandusky's troubling issues to light possibly tarnished Penn State's image but they also stood to possibly lose millions of dollars that is generated from the football program.
That leads me back to my point about recruiting. Without good recruiting classes, there's no way Penn State maintains being a football factory in the NCAA. The truth is the coverup was about protecting the image so that the Penn State football program could continue in its normal state & remain profitable at the sametime.
The decision to coverup wasn't a decision based on a moral obligation otherwise those in charge would have made a totally different choice. The decision was based solely on football & the potential fallout around the program.
Just as in any other case involving investigations & punishments by the NCAA, the program gets investigated & punished for the sins of people in authority or players who pretend not to know any better. If the NCAA finds that Penn State violated any code of ethics within their guidelines, then they should be punished just as any other member should be.
Did Penn State literally gain an advantage by JoePa & other officials covering Sandusky's wrongdoings? No, but the coverup allowed business to go on as usual which prevented the scrutiny & fallout we are currently seeing.
Stevie Wonder can see that if the child sexual accusations & charges were brought up when they were initially noticed, that fallout from those charges would have an affect on the Penn State football program as well as their ability to recruit top prospects.
Anyone with common sense can realize that this scandal will affect Penn State's ability to recruit thus affect the product the Nittany Lions will be able to put on the field.
Those saying that this isn't a NCAA issue, needs to step back & look at the overall picture of the situation. Not only would have bringing Jerry Sandusky's troubling issues to light possibly tarnished Penn State's image but they also stood to possibly lose millions of dollars that is generated from the football program.
That leads me back to my point about recruiting. Without good recruiting classes, there's no way Penn State maintains being a football factory in the NCAA. The truth is the coverup was about protecting the image so that the Penn State football program could continue in its normal state & remain profitable at the sametime.
The decision to coverup wasn't a decision based on a moral obligation otherwise those in charge would have made a totally different choice. The decision was based solely on football & the potential fallout around the program.
Just as in any other case involving investigations & punishments by the NCAA, the program gets investigated & punished for the sins of people in authority or players who pretend not to know any better. If the NCAA finds that Penn State violated any code of ethics within their guidelines, then they should be punished just as any other member should be.
Posted on 7/12/12 at 3:35 pm to DrSteveBrule
Legal question not related to the overly argued DP pros & cons. Can the victims file a civil suit against Joe Pa's estate or does his death completely close any action against him at all? His estate does have significant assets. And where is the former player/Steeler who was ranting on & on in behalf of Joe Pa? He seems to have disappeared.
Posted on 7/12/12 at 3:36 pm to Keltic Tiger
I think they can sue the estate of JoePa, and I think they will sue the estate of JoePa.
Posted on 7/12/12 at 3:36 pm to Sophandros
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And they shouldn't have
Why does the NCAA even exist then?
How about USC's latest discipline. Do you agree with it, even though none of the players punished were responsible for the violation?
Posted on 7/12/12 at 3:51 pm to Sophandros
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and I think they will sue the estate of JoePa.
ISWYDT
Posted on 7/12/12 at 4:00 pm to LNCHBOX
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How about USC's latest discipline. Do you agree with it, even though none of the players punished were responsible for the violation?
As was discussed on another thread, no I don't agree with the NCAA punishment on USC, in part for the reason that you stated.
A multi-million dollar fine would do the job.
Posted on 7/12/12 at 4:00 pm to Buckeye Backer
quote:Seldom find myself in agreement with Buckeye fans, but that's football. Still, what you say here is right and is the only logical and just thing that could happen as an outcome to all this cover-up and web of lies. PSU has been knowingly running a football program that is totally out of control. JoePa may have been a living legend, and very powerful up there in Nittany Lion-land, but what was going on with Sandusky and the boys was criminal, cannot be justified or rationalized. The stink of all this corruption is just too rancid to ignore. I'm sorry for all the Penn State fans, and for those of us who did respect Joe Paterno. He achieved a lot, but the kids Sandusky sodomized paid a big, big price...
What a mess! I do think the NCAA should step in and sanction Penn St...
Posted on 7/12/12 at 4:02 pm to Sophandros
I just listened to part of Millen's blathering. He really reminded me of that poor reporter lady from last year who had the stroke (or whatever it turned out to be) while she was inteviewing someone.
Posted on 7/12/12 at 4:03 pm to Sophandros
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As was discussed on another thread, no I don't agree with the NCAA punishment on USC, in part for the reason that you stated.
So basically no school should be punished ever? Only fines?
Posted on 7/12/12 at 4:06 pm to LNCHBOX
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So basically no school should be punished ever? Only fines?
A multi-million dollar fine is a punishment.
If you want to punish THE INSTITUTION, that's what you do.
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