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Posted on 7/13/12 at 12:09 am to Roughneck
This what happens when you give people unchecked power. I wouldn't be shocked if this wasn't a set up to place more of the blame on JoePa. The BoT should all be fired. There is no way on God's green earth they should not have not known about this @ all. Frick all those scumbags, the janitors, parents, the kids charity etc who failed these kids. They all turned a blind eye. Frick society for idolizing sports. If you all didnt care so much about winning @ all cost maybe this wouldn't have been covered up. No DP for PSU, but everyone in the Athletic Dept who knew should rot in hell.
This post was edited on 7/13/12 at 12:18 am
Posted on 7/13/12 at 12:11 am to TJGator1215
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TJGator1215
you sound like you're an idiot. Here, have a seat and wait until called.
Posted on 7/13/12 at 12:16 am to Elleshoe
Personal attacks are nice. I can play that game. When does your woman want me to spray her guts?
Posted on 7/13/12 at 12:21 am to TJGator1215
I dunno. Call and ask. You literally sound like a fricking idiot though. When you can form a coherent argument I will address you.
Posted on 7/13/12 at 12:26 am to Elleshoe
What is wrong with my argument? Unchecked power+ Society's crazy win @ all cost and idolizing players/coaches+ Unethical people= Children being harmed. Not hard unless you have trouble connecting dots.
This post was edited on 7/13/12 at 12:29 am
Posted on 7/13/12 at 12:33 am to TJGator1215
I wholeheartedly agree that it was horrible. I have trouble including the janitors in your scenario. They were likely poor people living check to check who were terrified. If they could make the DA disappear what could they do to them?
Posted on 7/13/12 at 12:38 am to Elleshoe
Agreed but they were witnessing a child being raped. If they reported and were fired they could sue. A child's safety is more important than a job. JoePa, the janitors, the charity all felt differently. I mean cmon a childrens charity still gave this guy access to kids. WTMF! Why would they even think of that?
Posted on 7/13/12 at 2:06 am to bwallcubfan
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Lack of institutional control?
No. Put on your thinking cap. Lack of institutional control over what? The NCAA hits programs with a lack of institutional control penalty when the institution is lacking in the ability to control the athletic department (i.e. the institution has not demonstrated the ability or willingness to make its sports programs follow the rules).
Massive disregard for NCAA rules is prerequisite for an institutional control penalty. Because anything else is outside of the NCAA's jurisdiction.
That isn't the situation here. This isn't an NCAA issue.
Posted on 7/13/12 at 2:11 am to LNCHBOX
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Trading tats for autographs certainly didn't provide a competitive edge, yet Ohio State got reprimanded.
Trading tats for autographs is a violation of an NCAA rule.
This is not an NCAA issue; the reasons why are very simple and straightforward; and those who are nonetheless having difficulty understanding why it isn't an NCAA issue just simply aren't very smart.
Posted on 7/13/12 at 2:12 am to LNCHBOX
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So just because they didn't outline a child rape cover up law, they should in essence turn a blind eye?
Yes.
And you clearly don't understand how jurisdiction works.
Posted on 7/13/12 at 2:16 am to Elleshoe
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the only thing I've heard about is the catch all "lack of institutional control"
Which would be like trying to force a square peg into a round hole. The analysis doesn't work.
The situation is abhorrent to me, but that doesn't mean that it falls within the purview of the NCAA.
Posted on 7/13/12 at 2:21 am to bobbyray21
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This isn't an NCAA issue
Huh? A big university in a major conference covered up freaking RAPES in their athletic facilities by their employee.
It is an NCAA issue and it is most definitely a lack of institutional control.
Think of the effects on those young men? Its sickening. Paterno's name should be removed from all NCAA record books - along with all of PSU's records during his tenure.
Posted on 7/13/12 at 2:31 am to GeorgeTheGreek
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Seems like a prime example of lack of institutional control to me.
What was the institution failing to control?
They were failing to control the criminal actions of a former university employee.
Do the criminal actions of a former employee fall within the ambit of the NCAA's regulatory scope?
Of course not.
Imagine if Tennesse allowed Phillip Fulmer to keep an office on campus after he was fired as football coach. And then Fulmer starts up an illegal firearm distribution operation, and uses his university office as his headquarters in running the entire operation. Assume that all the higher ups know about it, but they don't do anything to stop it. Eventually Fulmer's firearms ring gets busted up by the cops, and all this comes to light.
Should the NCAA be involved? Of course not.
And the only difference between the fulmer hypo and the PSU situation is that one makes you cringe and the other doesn't.
A lack of institutional control penalty from the NCAA has to be based on underlying rampant violations of NCAA rules. All the NCAA really is just a huge goddamn rulebook and a collection of people figuring out to what extent the rules in that rulebook have been broken.
Institutional control is about adherence to that rulebook. Control over your program so that it plays by the rules in that rulebook.
Posted on 7/13/12 at 2:32 am to EST
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Huh? A big university in a major conference covered up freaking RAPES in their athletic facilities by their employee.
It is an NCAA issue and it is most definitely a lack of institutional control.
Think of the effects on those young men? Its sickening. Paterno's name should be removed from all NCAA record books - along with all of PSU's records during his tenure.
No, it isn't an NCAA issue. Please read my posts above and below. And if you're going to respond, try to come with a reasoned analysis.
Posted on 7/13/12 at 2:44 am to bobbyray21
But it could very well be a Department of Education issue, and the resulting sanctions would be just as crippling as anything the NCAA could do.
Department of Education a bigger threat
Department of Education a bigger threat
Posted on 7/13/12 at 2:48 am to bobbyray21
Experts say NCAA likely won't punish Penn State
This is exactly what I've been saying. If anybody wishes to respond, make it a reasoned analysis. Or at least give it your best shot.
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Michael Buckner, a lawyer in Pompano Beach, Fla., whose firm specializes in college sports law and NCAA infractions, called the Penn State case "unprecedented."
Buckner said Penn State's handling of the Sandusky scandal doesn't document a lack of institutional control, as defined by the NCAA manual.
The actions of multiple department employees, including athletic director Tim Curley and former football coach Joe Paterno, were criticized in the Freeh report.
"It's not an NCAA rules violation no matter how egregious and disgusting that behavior is and the university's reaction to everything is," Buckner said. "The NCAA has no rules for it."
This is exactly what I've been saying. If anybody wishes to respond, make it a reasoned analysis. Or at least give it your best shot.
Posted on 7/13/12 at 5:04 am to Roughneck
Burn the fricking joint to the ground. This is the most inexcusable shite I've ever seen from a major institution... Or any institution for that matter. I've seen more excusable moral shite from the Russian Mob than these monsters at Penn State. Dozens should be thrown in jail with Sandusky for this shite.
Posted on 7/13/12 at 5:15 am to teke184
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The victim lawsuits will bankrupt the university.
We can only hope. Personally I hope it turns into the next Rust College and is merely a joke. Seriously, who the hell would want to go to this school now unless they got a badass scholarship or this was all they could afford. Now they'll forever be known as "Ped State" and will experience extreme hostility toward any fan base they visit.
Posted on 7/13/12 at 5:26 am to BilJ
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those people will burn that town to the ground if they touch that joe pa statue
Yeah big loss that would be.
And if they burnt the town down over the demolition of a pedo enablers statue, please take down the college and yourselves while you do it.
This post was edited on 7/13/12 at 5:27 am
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