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Posted on 6/9/21 at 1:23 pm to
Posted by athenslife101
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Posted on 6/9/21 at 1:23 pm to
Also, this happened.

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It doesn’t look like a huge deal to me but I know a lot of people who know racing better than me were pretty angry about it and said the move Mazespin did was super dangerous
Posted by TouchedTheAxeIn82
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Posted on 6/9/21 at 2:40 pm to
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I'm thinking Russia might just want Dmitry Mazepin to spend some money to make the military obligation go away.

Probably. But there's also a tiny chance that they're just embarrassed that Mazepin is representing Russia in F1 and want to get him off the grid.
Posted by TheArrogantCorndog
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Posted on 6/9/21 at 2:51 pm to


Yea, I'm pretty sure they dont want him spinning and crashing in Sochi at every damn turn (literally)

National embarrassment

They should force a trade with Alpine and get Kvyat back, if only just for Sochi
Posted by athenslife101
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Posted on 6/9/21 at 4:11 pm to
Kyvat is test driving for someone right. Is, I forget who. Seemed like an interesting guy. Big into boxing.
Posted by TheArrogantCorndog
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Posted on 6/9/21 at 4:25 pm to
Alpine
Posted by athenslife101
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Posted on 6/9/21 at 6:23 pm to
I knew your joking but I’d be shocked if most experienced drivers would be willing to go to Haas. I think how underivable that car is was and still is to a certain extent just can’t be appreciated by people.
Posted by fightin tigers
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Posted on 6/15/21 at 3:01 pm to
f1.com

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Formula 1’s tyre supplier Pirelli say an investigation into the left-rear tyre failures suffered by both Lance Stroll and Max Verstappen in the Azerbaijan Grand Prix demonstrated there was “no production or quality defect” on any of the tyres “nor was their any sign of fatigue or delamination”.

Aston Martin’s Stroll suffered a blowout near the pit entry and spun hard into the wall, bringing out a Safety Car. Red Bull’s Verstappen then suffered a similar blowout going down the main straight, when he was leading the race, and speared into the wall. Both drivers emerged unscathed.

Initially, Pirelli believed debris was to blame for the two incidents, but on Tuesday evening, the Italian manufacturer released the results of their analysis which showed that this was not the case.

On the eve of the French Grand Prix, Pirelli said in a statement: “This analysis also took in the tyres used by other cars in the race, which had the same or a higher number of laps on them compared to the ones that were damaged. The process established that there was no production or quality defect on any of the tyres; nor was there any sign of fatigue or delamination.



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“The causes of the two left-rear tyre failures on the Aston Martin and Red Bull cars have been clearly identified. In each case, this was down to a circumferential break on the inner sidewall, which can be related to the running conditions of the tyre, in spite of the prescribed starting parameters (minimum pressure and maximum blanket temperature) having been followed.”

Following the investigation, Pirelli submitted their report to all 10 teams as well as governing body the FIA and issued a new set of protocols which will come into force at this weekend’s race in France.

“The FIA and Pirelli have agreed a new set of the protocols, including an upgraded technical directive already distributed, for monitoring operating conditions during a race weekend and they will consider any other appropriate actions,” added Pirelli.
Shortly after the tyre supplier revealed the results, Red Bull issued a statement: “We have worked closely with Pirelli and the FIA during their investigation into Max’s tyre failure on lap 47 of the Azerbaijan Grand Prix and can confirm that no car fault was found.

“We adhered to Pirelli’s tyre parameters at all times and will continue to follow their guidance.
“We are grateful that following the weekend’s high speed impacts no drivers were injured.”




So it was premature tire failure....yes...but, no.
Posted by TigerAlumni2010
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Posted on 6/15/21 at 3:18 pm to
So Pirelli determined there wasn't a defect, but those tires failed through no fault of the teams or drivers during normal running conditions, yeah.
Posted by BottomlandBrew
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Posted on 6/16/21 at 6:36 am to
Am I reading that correctly that Pirelli is basically saying, "we made the tires correctly and they still failed, so it's not our fault even though we told you it should last X number of laps at X psi and it didn't"? Uhh, yeah it is your fault.
This post was edited on 6/16/21 at 6:38 am
Posted by athenslife101
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Posted on 6/16/21 at 8:11 am to
Williams going through a big reorg announced this week. They did a lot of analysis and figured out that the car designers and the people on the racing side didn’t talk to each other at all anymore and haven’t for like 3-4 years. There used to be a director who was an intermediary between the two groups but his position was removed and since that time, the racing side has been providing all their technical feedback to one of the management directors who didn’t know what it was so never passed it on.
Posted by southernelite
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Posted on 6/16/21 at 8:22 am to
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Williams going through a big reorg announced this week. They did a lot of analysis and figured out that the car designers and the people on the racing side didn’t talk to each other at all anymore and haven’t for like 3-4 years. There used to be a director who was an intermediary between the two groups but his position was removed and since that time, the racing side has been providing all their technical feedback to one of the management directors who didn’t know what it was so never passed it on


There is no fricking way that they were that incompetent. How is that even possible?
Posted by BloodSweat&Beers
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Posted on 6/16/21 at 8:26 am to
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There is no fricking way that they were that incompetent. How is that even possible?


Not a good look for Claire Williams
Posted by athenslife101
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Posted on 6/16/21 at 9:06 am to
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Technical overhaul top of Capito’s to-do list And this writer understands, it quickly became clear there was a major issue with the technical structure, with trackside engineering and factory engineering not aligned. They were reporting into different channels. This was a legacy of Paddy Lowe vacating the role of Technical Director and the team opting not to fill it under previous management, instead creating the role of Managing Director, which Simon Roberts took last June, that had responsibility for technical, operations and planning functions. READ MORE: Paddy Lowe on why his 2017 return to Williams didn't work out – and why the team slipped back The problem with this structure was that silos were created, with a greater focus put on trackside engineering. That department was not working hand in hand with its factory equivalent. It is understood each was protecting their position and not working well together and therefore not developing the car with a common goal. So Capito, after 100 days in charge, formulated the first stage of his long-term plan which focused on restructuring the technical department. Trackside engineering would no longer report through the Team Principal, internally known as Racing Director, and instead come under Technical Director FX Demaison’s remit.


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Posted by blueboy
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Posted on 6/16/21 at 2:52 pm to
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Rumors continue to fly out of Formula 1 that George Russell is definitely set to replace Valtteri Bottas at Mercedes for 2022 and beyond.

Bottas, who has been Mercedes No. 2 to Lewis Hamilton since coming over from Williams before the 2017 season, is having an uncharacteristic--OK, dismal--time of things in 2022. He's sixth place in the championship standings after back-to-back runner-up finishes in 2019 and 2020.

Bottas has failed to score points in three of the last five races. The last time he's had as many as three races outside the top 10 in any five-race stretch was 2016 when he raced for Williams.

"We would like to keep George," new Williams team principal Jost Capito told Sky Deutschland. "But we all know that Mercedes will make the decision."
Valtteri Bottas Could Face a Williams-or-Nothing Decision for 2022 F1 Season
Posted by Nigel Farage
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Posted on 6/16/21 at 2:56 pm to
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There is no fricking way that they were that incompetent. How is that even possible?


They havent scored a point in like 33 fricking races, it takes monumental incompetence to do that.
Posted by fightin tigers
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Posted on 6/16/21 at 3:09 pm to
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There is no fricking way that they were that incompetent. How is that even possible?


Thinks this goes back to Paddy Lowe and the fallout from that shitshow. Still have no idea what the whole story was there.

Paddy brought an obviously illegal car to the track then resigned in disgrace. Like the guy had dimentia and everyone just played it off.
This post was edited on 6/16/21 at 3:11 pm
Posted by TouchedTheAxeIn82
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Posted on 6/16/21 at 3:14 pm to
Interesting breaking news. Kevin Magnussen, dropped by Haas along with Grosjean to make room for them German and Russian sponsors, will join his former teammate in IndyCar this weekend as he makes his IndyCar debut at Road America, substituting for the injured Felix Rosenqvist. Magnussen will drive an IndyCar for the first time in Friday practice.

I think Road America is the perfect place to make a rushed debut. I don't think it's as technical as a street course or tracks like Mid-Ohio or Laguna Seca.
Posted by fightin tigers
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Posted on 6/16/21 at 3:31 pm to
Also there are rumblings Ocon signed a 3 year extension. That is sort of surprising. Cuts off Gasly's exit from Alpha Tauri
Posted by TouchedTheAxeIn82
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Posted on 6/16/21 at 3:36 pm to
Alpine was open about wanting to re-sign Ocon. You think they secretly coveted Gasly?
Posted by fightin tigers
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Posted on 6/16/21 at 3:45 pm to
Speculation was Gasly was heading to Alpine. Ocon has probably done a little better than expected this year so it made their decision easier.

Maybe Gasly buys another year in the Alpha to see what Alonso does.

3 year extension for Ocon is surprising.
This post was edited on 6/16/21 at 3:47 pm
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