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re: Formula 1 2021 Season Thread
Posted on 3/29/21 at 4:27 pm to fightin tigers
Posted on 3/29/21 at 4:27 pm to fightin tigers
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Sucks for Merc that this aero change came when limited development is being allowed for the year.
I, like many I'm sure, shed no tears for the struggles of Mercedes.
I'm sure they will figure it out but the idea of a real deal close fight for constructors and a WDC is enticing as hell. The Mercedes/Red Bull battle could revolve around the Perez/Bottas battle.
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Posted on 3/29/21 at 5:05 pm to YOURADHERE
Posted on 3/29/21 at 5:18 pm to Kingpenm3
I think the whole "to gain an advantage" part of the rule on track limits is where they messed up
Every damn lap each driver is doing it to gain an advantage, and that wording is FAR too vague to leave up to interpretation
Every damn lap each driver is doing it to gain an advantage, and that wording is FAR too vague to leave up to interpretation
Posted on 3/29/21 at 5:36 pm to TheArrogantCorndog
Here's Lewis complaining about a driver running wide and gaining an advantage from a few years ago.
LINK
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But if you saw an improvment, that's an advantage so...
Posted on 3/29/21 at 6:05 pm to Kingpenm3
As a big Verstappen fan, I don’t have an issue with him having to give the spot back. Regardless of the track, if you pass off-track, you have to give it back.
I believe they told Max he could go wide on Turn 4 until the stewards told them to stop because Mercedes was going wide there.
The whole gaining an advantage thing is subjective, but if Lewis picked up even a quarter to a half a tenth by running wide, he could have had .7 to 1.4 seconds advantage by the end of the race, which was just enough to put it out of reach of Max.
Then again, if Red Bull puts in a 1.8 instead of a 2.5 stop, that could have been enough. Just razor thin margins that Red Bull was on the wrong side of.
I believe they told Max he could go wide on Turn 4 until the stewards told them to stop because Mercedes was going wide there.
The whole gaining an advantage thing is subjective, but if Lewis picked up even a quarter to a half a tenth by running wide, he could have had .7 to 1.4 seconds advantage by the end of the race, which was just enough to put it out of reach of Max.
Then again, if Red Bull puts in a 1.8 instead of a 2.5 stop, that could have been enough. Just razor thin margins that Red Bull was on the wrong side of.
This post was edited on 3/29/21 at 6:07 pm
Posted on 3/29/21 at 6:12 pm to Kingpenm3
Hamilton is seriously annoying.
Posted on 3/29/21 at 6:57 pm to southernelite
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The whole gaining an advantage thing is subjective, but if Lewis picked up even a quarter to a half a tenth by running wide, he could have had .7 to 1.4 seconds advantage by the end of the race, which was just enough to put it out of reach of Max.
100%.
And the fact the stewards were deleting times from qualifying and practice. Yet, during the race mercedes can do whatever they want.
Verstappen was definitely wrong, but to think mercedes wasn't abusing it the whole race is idiotic.
Posted on 3/29/21 at 7:59 pm to kengel2
That is the one sector where Hamilton had an advantage in sector times. It absolutely helped him.
Posted on 3/29/21 at 8:13 pm to kengel2
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And the fact the stewards were deleting times from qualifying and practice. Yet, during the race mercedes can do whatever they want.
The FIA in a nutshell
Posted on 3/29/21 at 8:33 pm to kengel2
So if someone other than Mercedes was doing the same thing because of how they interpreted the rules do you still have a problem?
Or are you only mad because RB failed to read the rules for the day?
Race director even said they saw Hamilton doing it and what he was doing was permitted. He only stepped in when Hamilton got egregious with going over. Then he gave him a warning.
The race director fricked up because he didn't realize F1 teams/drivers would exploit a loophole he spelled out for them. He said there would be no penalties (they weren't watching) for going wide there, then realized he fricked up by saying so because people were going wider than he thought they would.
Or are you only mad because RB failed to read the rules for the day?
Race director even said they saw Hamilton doing it and what he was doing was permitted. He only stepped in when Hamilton got egregious with going over. Then he gave him a warning.
The race director fricked up because he didn't realize F1 teams/drivers would exploit a loophole he spelled out for them. He said there would be no penalties (they weren't watching) for going wide there, then realized he fricked up by saying so because people were going wider than he thought they would.
Posted on 3/29/21 at 9:03 pm to fightin tigers
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So if someone other than Mercedes was doing the same thing because of how they interpreted the rules do you still have a problem?
If its equal then no, there is no problem. Do you have a problem when lap times are deleted in qualification? If the track limits arent enforced during the race, then why enforce during qualification?
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Or are you only mad because RB failed to read the rules for the day?
If the rules keep changing, what is there to read?
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Race director even said they saw Hamilton doing it and what he was doing was permitted.
He was exceeding track limits, pretty much 90% of his laps would have been deleted in qualifying.
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Then he gave him a warning
Everyone watched hamilton do it without repercussion, they then started doing it. The they came out with the "warning."
The race directors definitely got man handled by mercedes.
Posted on 3/29/21 at 9:35 pm to kengel2
Track limit rules were kind of different for practice, quali, and the race, but not really. Just enforcement was, and it was spelled in pre-race notes. It is a huge problem with this race director, not the first time. Arbitrarily deciding the white line, then the kerbs, then the big kerbs but not the smaller kerbs....
Track limits should be track limits, the white line. All 4 wheels go off and the lap should be flagged or whatever.
All the teams were guilty of it, Perez (red bull driver), was guilty of it as well far before Red Bull radio said anything.
Masi allowing cars to leave track limits sometimes, but not others is bullshite. Then saying, "It is ok to leave, oh you can't leave that much" is even worse.
Lewis was called for going way further than what Masi thought a driver would go.
I definitely think HAM and the others were going wide to get an advantage. HAM is the only one who got the warning for breaking track limits though (Probably BOT as well, they didn't really specify which driver)
For reference, 27.3 reads
Track limits should be track limits, the white line. All 4 wheels go off and the lap should be flagged or whatever.
All the teams were guilty of it, Perez (red bull driver), was guilty of it as well far before Red Bull radio said anything.
Masi allowing cars to leave track limits sometimes, but not others is bullshite. Then saying, "It is ok to leave, oh you can't leave that much" is even worse.
Lewis was called for going way further than what Masi thought a driver would go.
I definitely think HAM and the others were going wide to get an advantage. HAM is the only one who got the warning for breaking track limits though (Probably BOT as well, they didn't really specify which driver)
For reference, 27.3 reads
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Drivers must make every reasonable effort to use the track at all times and may not deliberately leave the track without a justifiable reason. Drivers will be judged to have left the track if no part of the car remains in contact with it and, for the avoidance of doubt, any white lines defining the track edges are considered to be part of the track but the kerbs are not.
This post was edited on 3/29/21 at 9:43 pm
Posted on 3/30/21 at 11:31 am to VABuckeye
I didn’t watch F1 in the Senna era, but one of the points that the documentary Senna makes, is that Prost understood the politics and was comfortable gaming the system to gain an advantage. Senna wasn’t, or at least came to accept it slowly, and with some frustration, culminating with Sennas decision to ram Prost in 89 at the Japanese Grand Prix.
Hamilton reminds me of Prost, in the way that he works the system. He’s a good driver, a great driver, but he also understands how to exploit the rules.
Hamilton reminds me of Prost, in the way that he works the system. He’s a good driver, a great driver, but he also understands how to exploit the rules.
This post was edited on 3/30/21 at 11:33 am
Posted on 3/30/21 at 11:37 am to fightin tigers
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HAM is the only one who got the warning for breaking track limits though
Because he did it 29 times. He was making zero effort to stay within the track limits.
Posted on 3/30/21 at 12:32 pm to VABuckeye
That's the whole point, no one was. VER was across the line almost a dozen times (before the warning). BOT went across every time. PER was over it most of the time. They were all crossing track limits to gain laptime.
Even after HAM warning they were all crossing the line.
Ferrari was the only team to consistently stay within the white line. Probably fearful of breaking their shitbox. Mazespin never broke the white line either.
HAM was called out not for how often he crossed, but because Masi didn't like how far he was going off. It was an arbitrary definition of allowing track limits to be exploited.
twitter breakdown. with pics
Even after HAM warning they were all crossing the line.
Ferrari was the only team to consistently stay within the white line. Probably fearful of breaking their shitbox. Mazespin never broke the white line either.
HAM was called out not for how often he crossed, but because Masi didn't like how far he was going off. It was an arbitrary definition of allowing track limits to be exploited.
twitter breakdown. with pics
This post was edited on 3/30/21 at 12:49 pm
Posted on 3/31/21 at 8:24 am to Lima Whiskey
quote:Yeah, Hamilton clearly reads the rules like an attorney and tries to squeeze out any possible advantage that he can.
Hamilton reminds me of Prost, in the way that he works the system. He’s a good driver, a great driver, but he also understands how to exploit the rules.
Regardless of your opinion of him, you have to give him props for doing anything and everything he can to win.
Posted on 3/31/21 at 9:05 am to fightin tigers
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Mazespin never broke the white line either.
I mean, did he even make it to turn 4?
Posted on 3/31/21 at 8:34 pm to kengel2
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mean, did he even make it to turn 4?
There have been some good stats to come out his accident, such as:
Hamilton has more distance on three tires than Mazepin has on four. EVen more impressive, Alonso has more distance on two wheels than Mazepin has on four.
Mazepin has more spins than laps driven.
Mazepin has more formation laps than race laps.
Posted on 4/3/21 at 2:33 pm to BottomlandBrew
Not sure if anyone has been watching the Extreme E racing this weekend. Rosberg, Hamilton, Jensen Button (owner/driver) are some of the team owners.
youtube
Teams going around the world racing electric offroad crossovers.
Do yourself a favor and skip to about 12 minutes in. The first 10 minutes is brutal SJW/Environmental/Virtue Signaling
drivetribe link
Climate change preaching, mandatory women drivers, quiet soothing electric motors whirring, mid race environmental education...what more could you want?
youtube
Teams going around the world racing electric offroad crossovers.
Do yourself a favor and skip to about 12 minutes in. The first 10 minutes is brutal SJW/Environmental/Virtue Signaling
drivetribe link
Climate change preaching, mandatory women drivers, quiet soothing electric motors whirring, mid race environmental education...what more could you want?
This post was edited on 4/3/21 at 2:44 pm
Posted on 4/5/21 at 8:37 am to fightin tigers
The only thing I've seen about it is from Nico Rosberg's Youtube channel, which if you haven't checked out his channel and seen how totally out of touch with reality he is, then I recommend it. He does some really good lap previews for races and goes in to a lot of depth on them, which is awesome, but then he also shows off all of his million dollar toys and talks about them like anyone can afford them.
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