re: For those that believe the NFL is rigged, what would it take to convince you otherwise?

I disagree with their conclusions and the committee was a bunch of dingbats fixated on the military-industrial complex and convinced that if JFK had lived Vietnam wouldn’t have happened, which you can no more assume than New York Mets fans can assume that Nolan Ryan would have struck out 5,000 batters and thrown seven no-hitters for them if they hadn’t traded him to the Angels.

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She died for exposing the truth about the NFL

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These simpletons chalk it up to "people died in car wrecks in 1983"...Posted a link to the Frontline story plus a Court Document stating the NFL is entertainment according to the courts and they still don't believe it.

I'm sure the Chicago Mafia is still in charge.

If you are serious and not trolling, it scares me that there are people who believe such things circulating freely in society.

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Outright rigged, no. Preferred outcome and calls made to steer that outcome yes.

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I'm leaning towards this camp, and years... decades, of watching things has pushed me towards it.

Everyone wants the money, and the higher you go in hierarchy, the more that money is the primary purpose of the league. I don't think half the owners care at all if their teams win, as long as they have a share of the pot.

I think there's a lot of marketing and research done, and when a preferred outcome is found, I think it's greenlit to influence the games so that outcome is more probable.

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what would it take to convince you otherwise?

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Once you start thinking that, I don't know that you get convinced otherwise.

Because it was so unthinkable to begin with, basically. So when you finally hit the point where you think so: like in my case, I've been watching the Saints since Archie. That's 4 decades now. Enough little things over the years. I started out with a "No it isn't" POV.

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She died for exposing the truth about the NFL

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Savitch was a pioneer, serving as America’s first female anchorwoman, chairing the nightly NBC news.

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But after her epic NFL piece, she was dead months later. Found in a drainage ditch of the Delaware Canal outside of Philadelphia, her car run off the road during a storm into the waterway. News reports placed another journalist at the scene with her, a New York Post executive who also died.

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The two had had dinner in Bucks County. Though he denied it until his death, the two killed journalists were supposedly dining with the NFL’s Philadelphia Eagles owner Leonard Tose, a known ladies man with the swagger and habits of a river boat gambler, just before the supposed accident.

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Posted from your link.

Like elections, the moon landing and flat earthers, etc. etc. conspiracy theorists don’t debate anything to hear another viewpoint.

They’re debating only to prove how smart they are.

It's basically insignificant people trying to show they they're significant because "they know something" that nobody else knows.

And I'll take the opportunity to share this from The New York Times about Jessica Savitch's supposed expose on the NFL. (And point out that she was famously fired from NBC because of her enormous drug habit, and that this documentary was not well thought of in the legitimate journalistic community at the time it was aired, we actually were laughing about it the morning after it aired in our newsroom, although I'm sure the response will be that we were all in on the plot.)

"The evidence is compiled largely from press reports and rumors of fixes over the years; from interviews with two convicted gamblers and a mob figure turned informer, the famous Jimmy (the Weasel) Fratianno - all of whom, it is acknowledged on the program, were paid for their stories, and from the suspicions of Federal Bureau of Investigation, police and antigambling spokesmen. We are reminded that in the past players like Joe Namath and Paul Hornung kept unsavory company, and we are informed that several team owners are doing so right now. The inevitable follow-up question - whether this signifies that games are being fixed today, as a former bookie asserts that they were a decade ago - receives no sure answer.

"The game plan behind this documentary seems to be that if enough balls are tossed into play, somebody may score a goal. So Jessica Savitch, the host for the series, tells of the millions of dollars riding on football scores each week and warns that gamblers will do anything they can to win. We learn that Joe Namath ''could often be found playing liar's poker in a notorious nightclub.'' We look into a Las Vegas betting operation and witness a police raid on a small-time Florida bookie. Exclusives are offered, on the order of: '' 'Frontline' has learned that the I.R.S. is investigating ticket scalping.''

"There is one main assay into investigative reporting, an apparently successful effort to track down a witness to the drowning in 1979 of Carroll Rosenbloom, owner of the Los Angeles Rams. The witness tells of his suspicions that murder was done, although he did not actually see a crime being committed. One of the interviewed convicts also thinks that Mr. Rosenbloom was murdered, and a liedetector test confirms that he believes that he is telling the truth - but he was not there. (I asked David Fanning, the executive producer of ''Frontline,'' whether payments to sources and liedetector tests would be used in other programs as well. Conceding that the practices were dubious, he explained that the need to get information from felons seemed to justify them in this case.) In any event, whether Mr. Rosenbloom was killed or not does not add a nickel to the sum of our knowledge about game fixing, despite Miss Savitch's opinion that he was ''perhaps the first N.F.L. owner whose underworld ties led to his death.''

"As hard evidence of continuing illegality is not forthcoming, the program settles for criticizing the N.F.L. for not cracking down on the questionable associations of club owners and players, and so deterring them from undue temptation. Miss Savitch, as interviewer, tries to tackle Pete Rozelle, head of the N.F.L., on the matter of its purported negligence, but he proves a hard man to bring to earth.

"Common sense and common experience support the suspicions voiced here that where big money and unsavory characters bulk as large as they do in illegal gambling, finagling is likely, but that is about as far as this documentary takes us. When an investigator who sets out to expose a subject settles finally for a suggestive glimpse, that is an incomplete pass."

Buffalo winning it all.

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this documentary was not well thought of in the legitimate journalistic community

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we actually were laughing about it the morning after it aired in our newsroom

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so your allegiance lies with the propagandists. That says all we need to know about you.