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re: For the "But they left FSU out" people

Posted on 12/5/23 at 7:27 am to
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
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Posted on 12/5/23 at 7:27 am to
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My point here is that the problem is NOT a one year problem


Correct, the committee clearly stated performance does not matter and they'll put get the matchups they personally want.

LSU will be as fricked as FSU going forward. The committee will opt for rankings over actual performance.

Alabama lost at home to Texas by two scores, and should have lost to Auburn.

They in no way deserve it over FSU.
Posted by Jim Hopper
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Posted on 12/5/23 at 7:30 am to
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If there are 5 Power 5 Conferences and only 4 CFP spots, that already starts you from a place of leaving conference champ out.
when you have 3 undefeated conference champs and two 1 loss conference champs common sense is you take the team that beat the other 1 loss conference champs on its home field by double digits. Problem solved.
Posted by Rizer_J
NW LA
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Posted on 12/5/23 at 7:32 am to
Undefeated is part of it, but WHO did you beat to become undefeated? That matters, too. I have already said this in other threads.

This thread's focus was on the bigger picture...if that doesn't get fixed, this stuff will happen again.
Posted by themunch
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Posted on 12/5/23 at 7:34 am to
The ACC owned the SEC THIS year. This year matters.
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WHO did you beat to become undefeated? That matters, too.
This post was edited on 12/5/23 at 7:35 am
Posted by Rizer_J
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Posted on 12/5/23 at 7:38 am to
The Big 12 Champ lost a game,too. WHO you play matters to get that undefeated record matters as well. Hate to tell you that, but it's true. Beating up on a collection with a sub .500 record just makes you a playground bully. Would you be ok with a 13 yr old team playing in a league with a bunch of 10 year olds and going undefeated? How much of an accomplishment is that? The talent level between FSU and the rest of the ACC is drastic. If they want respect, play a respectable schedule. Bama's combined opponents had 98 wins, FSU's had 77. BIG difference!
Posted by LSUTigresFan
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Posted on 12/5/23 at 7:38 am to
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Nope. Texas is only in because they had to be in order to include Alabama. If Georgia had won the 4 undefeated teams would have been in, even though Alabama with two losses would still be “one of the best four”.


That logic is not 100% accurate. AP even put Texas above FSU and kept Alabama out. Texas was gonna be in regardless of the SEC outcome as long as FSU looked bad on offense against Louisville.
Posted by Nutriaitch
Montegut
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Posted on 12/5/23 at 7:39 am to
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55 sos


now do Michigan's sos.
Posted by Rizer_J
NW LA
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Posted on 12/5/23 at 7:43 am to
FSU would have been left out still...

1) Georgia
2) Michigan
3) Washington
4) Texas

All four would beat FSU, and have played much a much better collection of competition. Don't believe me? Go look at the records of their opponents! FSU is the ONLY team that played a collection of sub .500 opponents. Michigan actually was just above FSU. They are being over-hyped, too. I would say Georgia earned a spot over them if you are saying "best" teams.

If we simply go off undefeated records, everyone go schedule crappy teams so you can guarantee going 13-0. Hhow would you like watching that NCAA?
Posted by LSU
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Posted on 12/5/23 at 7:43 am to
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It is why it is good that we move to a 12-team playoff next year.


If anyone was still against the playoff expansion, then Sunday's results had to change their mind.
Posted by themunch
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Posted on 12/5/23 at 7:45 am to
1) Georgia undefeated
2) Michigan undefeated
3) Washington undefeated
4) Texas not so much and why?
This post was edited on 12/5/23 at 7:47 am
Posted by Jim Hopper
Ocean Springs Mississippi
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Posted on 12/5/23 at 7:46 am to
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Beating up on a collection with a sub .500 record just makes you a playground bully
like barely beating mighty 4 win Arkansas by 3 at home, Hail Mary prayer against a 6 win Auburn team that lost by 3 TD’s to New Mexico at home, or having a 1 score lead on a mighty 6 win south Florida team until 2 minutes left in the game?
Posted by themunch
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Posted on 12/5/23 at 7:47 am to
All four would beat FSU.... is this the criteria?

Holy fartfurnugen
Posted by Ingeniero
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Posted on 12/5/23 at 7:48 am to
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All four would beat FSU, and have played much a much better collection of competition.


This is always a bad argument. Bama would be points favorites over Washington and probably Texas from your list, even with an SEC championship loss. Why not put Bama at 3 in that scenario?

Hell, Oregon was the Vegas favorite over Washington both times they played this year. They lost both. They'd probably STILL be points favorites if they matched up again. Why not ignore the record and put Oregon in over UW if all that matters is "X would beat Y?"
Posted by BK785
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Posted on 12/5/23 at 7:50 am to
FSU got screwed. If that was Clemson and Dabo, Saban and Finebaum would be crying at home right now. Thay just didn't want FSU in over Bama.
Posted by Rizer_J
NW LA
Member since May 2018
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Posted on 12/5/23 at 7:51 am to
Go look at their combined opponent records and tell me that. FSU had some survival games, too. See FSU vs. BC. Everyone does during a season. And, there is not shame in losing to the #3 team in the country as your only loss, especially when you turn around and beat the #1, #11, and #13 teams. Compare that to FSU - whose best win was against that same #13 team.

Bama played a MUCH tougher schedule! I hate Bama, but I have to give them credit. Their opponents went a combine 98-62, combined to FSU (77-79). When you play teams that combine for 20 more wins and we are talking about 1 loss (to the #3 team in the country) as the comparison between the teams, I can't respect that 13-0 record like the 12-1 record. If that loss had been to Auburn, I can give that argument some credit. But, they won it. It doesn't matter how. They got the W.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 12/5/23 at 7:51 am to
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All four would beat FSU,


Alabama barely beat Auburn, had to take Jayden out to beat LSU.

This post was edited on 12/5/23 at 7:52 am
Posted by lsusteve1
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Posted on 12/5/23 at 7:52 am to
And another Gump insecurity post



Good lord, man
Posted by Rizer_J
NW LA
Member since May 2018
273 posts
Posted on 12/5/23 at 7:54 am to
That argument again? The SEC won the 3 games were we had the better team. The ACC won 6 where they had the better team.

However it was the ACC that couldn't hold serve - Louisville losing to Kentucky.

If you want to take credit for your better teams winning over our weaker teams, congrats! Whatever it takes to make you sleep better at night.
Posted by themunch
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Posted on 12/5/23 at 7:56 am to
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If you want to take credit for your better teams winning over our weaker teams, congrats!






I think we are done here.
Posted by Rizer_J
NW LA
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273 posts
Posted on 12/5/23 at 7:59 am to
They lost to Oklahoma (34-30) in a rivalry game in Ft. Worth.

They still played one of the toughest schedules in the NCAA, unlike FSU.
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