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re: First Open Gay Athlete in American Team Sports
Posted on 4/29/13 at 12:35 pm to Leauxgan
Posted on 4/29/13 at 12:35 pm to Leauxgan
quote:
Robbie Rodgers, a US soccer player, came out when he was 25 and has had to retire because of it.
i think he retired and then to get some final pub came out...then blamed not having much professional future on coming out
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Posted on 4/29/13 at 12:37 pm to SlowFlowPro
Nah, he still had a professional future. It was probably just at a lower level than Leeds.
Posted on 4/29/13 at 12:38 pm to TreyAnastasio
quote:
Jason Collins
congrats on the gay secks bro.
Posted on 4/29/13 at 12:38 pm to SlowFlowPro
Kwame Harris wasn't an active player when he came out (after which he was outed). He last played in 2008.
Posted on 4/29/13 at 12:38 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:It honestly depends on whether he plays again.
john amechi already did this years ago
If not, he's no different than Amaechi, a former player coming out.
If he plays again, it changes everything. He would be the first openly gay athlete still playing in the big 3 sports.
quote:Not current.
why are we eliminating kwame harris's story b/c he wasn't good enough to perform within the arbitrary confines of football?
Posted on 4/29/13 at 12:38 pm to TheOcean
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But, the same people who are saying they don't give a frick, are the same ones worried about his motives for coming out.
well he's not the first, and he's trying to make a name for himself by claiming to be some first
i do question his motives, as i questioned robbie rogers' motives/timing
i don't fault him for his plan, as he's likely going to make some serious money by capitalizing on this lie, but to presume his intentions are noble is foolish, imho. i think he's trying to cater to a market to capitalize on it down the road
Posted on 4/29/13 at 12:39 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:
john amechi already did this years ago
plus kwame harris was just outed
well, I think it's going to take several coming-out announcements, rather than irregular instances stretched across time, for this to be less of a big deal.
jason collins coming out is just one voice in an otherwise dormant/silent chorus of gay athletes imo
Posted on 4/29/13 at 12:39 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:Yea, I'm not sure that saying he retired because he came out is correct, though I could be wrong, I don't know all of the exacts on that story.
i think he retired and then to get some final pub came out...then blamed not having much professional future on coming out
Posted on 4/29/13 at 12:39 pm to Vicks Kennel Club
well that's why i said "not much" future
Posted on 4/29/13 at 12:39 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:
why are we eliminating kwame harris's story b/c he wasn't good enough to perform within the arbitrary confines of football?
The same reason why we're giving Jason Collins credit for being an Active NBA player even though he's not on a team and is a free agent that averages less than 4 points a game. Because the story attracts eyeballs.
The story will again attract eyeballs when a 35 year old player that is past his prime doesn't make a team and happens to be openly gay.
ETA: I work in the media business in NY and am cynical 2/3 on the media forcing this into being a huge story and 1/3 on the player for coming out and claiming to be the first active player when he's not currently active. The fact that I found out about this while scanning the financial news should tell you how over-hyped this story is and will be.
This post was edited on 4/29/13 at 12:47 pm
Posted on 4/29/13 at 12:40 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:If he plays next year he is.
well he's not the first, and he's trying to make a name for himself by claiming to be some first
quote:Again, you don't know that it's a lie.
i don't fault him for his plan, as he's likely going to make some serious money by capitalizing on this lie
Posted on 4/29/13 at 12:41 pm to Leauxgan
quote:
well, I think it's going to take several coming-out announcements, rather than irregular instances stretched across time, for this to be less of a big deal.
well the very fact that homosexuals are a VERY small % of the population, and many gay males are forced from competitive sports at an early age, means that it's not going to be very common (at leat in male sports. this is so accepted in women's sports it's almost comical when a lesbian athlete makes a big deal out of coming out)
Posted on 4/29/13 at 12:42 pm to shel311
no i don't know. i assume it is b/c i question his intentions. i don't care if he's gay, but there are serious questions about his intentions. that's what i was responding to
Posted on 4/29/13 at 12:44 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:
no i don't know. i assume it is b/c i question his intentions. i don't care if he's gay, but there are serious questions about his intentions. that's what i was responding to
they act like they have so much to be afraid of by coming out but really its the opposite these days. You become an instant fricking hero living in liberal world these days. Its the cool thing to do to be supportive of them gays and its the cool thing to show public support of being supportive. it's so stupid. Real world should respond by saying we give no fricks but the appearance that we do makes us feel like we're better people .
Posted on 4/29/13 at 12:44 pm to SlowFlowPro
and this thread is just a small sample size for why athletes have not come out. People are so childish about the entire issue. I bet his twitter account is blowing up right now with stupid little "Hey Jason I bet you love running the dick and roll LOL" or "No wonder you love basketball, you can back your arse up to a guy and not get called out on it"
Posted on 4/29/13 at 12:44 pm to SlowFlowPro
Are there any statistics showing how much guys like John Amaechi and Kwame Harris profited by coming out?
Posted on 4/29/13 at 12:46 pm to Chad504boy
quote:Yea, cause that player won't receive any amount of hate whatsoever.
they act like they have so much to be afraid of by coming out but really its the opposite these days. You become an instant fricking hero living in liberal world these days. Its the cool thing to do to be supportive of them gays and its the cool thing to show public support of being supportive. it's so stupid. Real world should respond by saying we give no fricks but the appearance that we do makes us feel like we're better people
Posted on 4/29/13 at 12:46 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:
well the very fact that homosexuals are a VERY small % of the population, and many gay males are forced from competitive sports at an early age, means that it's not going to be very common (at leat in male sports. this is so accepted in women's sports it's almost comical when a lesbian athlete makes a big deal out of coming out)
Is that what your entire argument is based on? That a majority of gay athletes are pushed out at a very early age?
Come on, man. You're pushing it.
Sounds like you're just trying to argue for the sake of arguing - SFP style.
This post was edited on 4/29/13 at 12:47 pm
Posted on 4/29/13 at 12:46 pm to USAF Hart
quote:
and this thread is just a small sample size for why athletes have not come out. People are so childish about the entire issue. I bet his twitter account is blowing up right now with stupid little "Hey Jason I bet you love running the dick and roll LOL" or "No wonder you love basketball, you can back your arse up to a guy and not get called out on it"
I think it has more to do with fear of being ostracized and/or black-balled.
inb4helovesblackballs
Posted on 4/29/13 at 12:47 pm to mattz1122
quote:I don't know, did Amaechi write a book? I'm not sure, if he did, check the amount of his book deal.
Are there any statistics showing how much guys like John Amaechi and Kwame Harris profited by coming out?
Harris didn't actually come out though.
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