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re: Explain these two rankings to me please. I am open to solid arguments changing my mind.
Posted on 12/4/19 at 10:02 am to LSUBoo
Posted on 12/4/19 at 10:02 am to LSUBoo
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Quality loss leader in the clubhouse.
Seriously, their 5 losses are to the teams ranked #2, #3, #4, #11, and #12.
That's a brutal schedule.
And one of those teams beat them down in a way that will be felt for a decade.
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Posted on 12/4/19 at 10:05 am to shel311
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Are you insinuating UVA does not have better wins than Cincy? Because they do, you know that. Are we doing some thing where every team played outside the top 25 counts exactly the same?
Ok. Virginia beat 7-5 Pitt, 5-7 William and Mary, 6-6 Florida State, 1-11 ODU, 5-7 Duke, 6-6 North Carolina, 3-9 Georgia Tech, 7-5 Liberty, and 8-4 Virginia Tech.
Cincinnati beat 4-8 UCLA, 7-5 Miami (OH), 8-4 Marshall, 9-3 UCF, 4-8 Houston, 4-8 Tulsa, 4-8 ECU, 2-10 UConn, 4-8 USC, 8-4 Temple.
I don't see a huge difference for either team.
Posted on 12/4/19 at 10:09 am to Rep520
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Unless people are worried Clemson is that much better than OU or Utah, it's no real impact. I haven't seen a lot in Clemson that would make me think they're a much tougher out than OU or Utah.
I'd absolutely rather see OU, Utah, or Baylor than Clemson.
OU can't stop anyone, we'd hang 50+ on them.
Utah on paper seems like a more complete team, but they would only have ONE top 25 win in Oregon.
Baylor... yeah I'd absolutely rather see Baylor than Clemson.
When Alabama was in the mix for #4 then I could understand the #1 vs. #2 doesn't really matter, but with them out of it, I think it's a huge difference.
Posted on 12/4/19 at 10:09 am to pvilleguru
quote:I won't ask you to do it, but if you ranked those teams from best to worst, you'd see a huge difference IMO.
I don't see a huge difference for either team.
Posted on 12/4/19 at 10:10 am to Rep520
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Unless people are worried Clemson is that much better than OU or Utah, it's no real impact. I haven't seen a lot in Clemson that would make me think they're a much tougher out than OU or Utah.
Holy frick balls
Posted on 12/4/19 at 10:10 am to shel311
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Let's make a hypothetical
Rather than hypotheticals, look at common opponents.
LSU/Clemson (aTm)--LSU won by 43, Clemson won by 14.
LSU/OU (Texas)--LSU won by 7, OU won by 7.
Posted on 12/4/19 at 10:12 am to castorinho
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and I failed to see why they, as a unit, would want to do that. How do you guys suppose that conversation goes.
They think Ohio State is #1. They can't say because OSU has better wins than LSU because they don't. They can't say because the computer metrics have then #1 because then what the frick do we need to committee for if they're just regurgitating what the computers spit out.
So they prop up OSU's wins to appear to be better wins than anyone else thinks they are so they can point and say "see, we're the ones you labeled experts, we think these teams are better than you think, and since OSU beat them, they're #1."
It's not some Ohio State bias or anything, it's literally just them skewing the data to support their assertion. It's the committee trying to prove their worth and authority, which is arguably worse.
Posted on 12/4/19 at 10:16 am to Rep520
quote:i prefer the full season of data and not 2 games.
Rather than hypotheticals, look at common opponents.
LSU/Clemson (aTm)--LSU won by 43, Clemson won by 14.
LSU/OU (Texas)--LSU won by 7, OU won by 7.
Posted on 12/4/19 at 10:21 am to sicboy
quote:Exactly, but for some odd and unknown reason, the gumps and buckeyes fricking love the arbitrary/subjective system.
So.......it's how arbitrary it is that frustrates a lot of people. As much as we hated the idea of a computer deciding who was the best team, at least it was a consistent metric and you could look at it and at least get how they got there. With this, who knows that they're going to go with from week to week.
No one seems to want to figure out an objective way to do this.
Instead, those two fanbases want to stick with 13 random individuals with no defined qualifications and no defined system.
It is asinine on every level.
Posted on 12/4/19 at 10:22 am to TH03
quote:Ding ding ding
It's not some Ohio State bias or anything, it's literally just them skewing the data to support their assertion. It's the committee trying to prove their worth and authority, which is arguably worse.
They are just trying their best to justify their own existence because even they had no idea what they are doing or how they are doing it.
Posted on 12/4/19 at 10:22 am to shel311
quote:UCF lost to Pitt by 1 on the road. Temple beat Georgia Tech by 22 and Memphis. USF only lost to Georgia Tech by 4.
I won't ask you to do it, but if you ranked those teams from best to worst, you'd see a huge difference IMO
Pitt was damn close to having a losing season, beating UCF by 1, Delaware by 3, Duke by 3, Syracuse by 7, UNC in OT.
Florida State took ULM to OT.
Virginia probably has the best win, but it all goes to shite after that.
This post was edited on 12/4/19 at 10:23 am
Posted on 12/4/19 at 10:23 am to pvilleguru
quote:Certainly not arguing it's good, but arguing it goes shite a lot less quicker than Cincy's wins.
Virginia probably has the best win, but it all goes to shite after that.
Posted on 12/4/19 at 10:27 am to TheCaterpillar
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Florida has a better win than anything on Wisconsin’s resume (Auburn). Their losses are also much better (competitive games to #2 and #4 as opposed to a massacre to #1 and a terrible Illinois team). They have a better SOR and SOS, a higher FPI, and are ranked 3 spots higher in the polls.
That 1 win is better than any of your 3 and they have FAR better losses.
Wisconsin also won their division and will have an additional data point this weekend.
Posted on 12/4/19 at 10:31 am to shel311
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i prefer the full season of data and not 2 games.
Well, that's where the issue of Clemson playing extremely average competition kicks in.
OU beat opponents by 20. Clemson beat them by 35. OU has the 45th best SOS and Clemson the 80th.
If you have Clemson playing OU level competition, they probably win by fewer points and have a similar margin. I respect Clemson, but I don't agree that there's a massive advantage getting OU instead of Clemson.
Especially for LSU, who struggled hard with a running QB vs Ole Miss. Hurts is more of a challenge there. Lawrence is solid, but more of a passer, and has been more prone to turnovers this year.
Posted on 12/4/19 at 10:36 am to KosmoCramer
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If LSU wins this weekend and doesn't become #1, there should be riots. That resume would be one of the greatest in college football history.
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Get your pitchfork ready because that's happening if chalk wins.
This post was edited on 12/4/19 at 10:37 am
Posted on 12/4/19 at 10:36 am to TheCaterpillar
My response here won't be popular, but...
We saw it coming for years. The SEC is not what it used to be.
If I listed the very obvious reasons for that, I would get crucified here.
We saw it coming for years. The SEC is not what it used to be.
If I listed the very obvious reasons for that, I would get crucified here.
Posted on 12/4/19 at 10:38 am to EZE Tiger Fan
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We saw it coming for years. The SEC is not what it used to be.
fricking has nothing to do with what's going on this year. SEC is extremely top heavy, but so is every P5 conference.
Posted on 12/4/19 at 10:39 am to Rep520
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Especially for LSU, who struggled hard with a running QB vs Ole Miss.
You do realize that the previous week LSU had its biggest program win in 8 years? And at halftime vs Ole Miss LSU was up 31-7. Sometimes players have The tendency to let up and relax in such moments.
Posted on 12/4/19 at 10:48 am to sicboy
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fricking has nothing to do with what's going on this year
We agree, but for different reasons. I said yearS.
Yes, the SEC is extremely top heavy, which is a HUGE part of the problem. That wasn't the case for almost a decade.
Posted on 12/4/19 at 10:55 am to Goldrush25
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Wisconsin also won their division and will have an additional data point this weekend.
UW won't drop much with a loss as the rankings already reflect them losing to OSU this season.
The melts will be epic.
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