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re: Explain these two rankings to me please. I am open to solid arguments changing my mind.
Posted on 12/4/19 at 9:33 am to shel311
Posted on 12/4/19 at 9:33 am to shel311
If Wisconsin keeps it close they might even move UP.
They'd certainly move ahead of the Oklahoma/Baylor loser. Ahead of UGA when UGA loses. Ahead of Utah if they lose.
Wisconsin can probably make it up to 6 just by showing some heart and giving Ohio State a good game.
They'd certainly move ahead of the Oklahoma/Baylor loser. Ahead of UGA when UGA loses. Ahead of Utah if they lose.
Wisconsin can probably make it up to 6 just by showing some heart and giving Ohio State a good game.
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Posted on 12/4/19 at 9:33 am to TH03
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People need to understand that these rankings after 1-4 aren't really "who is better." It's "where do we put these teams to set up possible moves next week." And it seems like in this case it's "how can we back up OSU at 1."
Sadly this is definitely true the final week or two.
Almost every year the early rankings seem to make a lot of sense but as they get closer to the end there is clear manipulation of rankings to justify their ultimate expected outcome.
This weeks rankings are a sham. They neatly lined up all the conference championship participants in a straight line one after the other heading into championship weekend. It's tacky how obvious it is and way out of line with the rankings the rest of the year till now.
Posted on 12/4/19 at 9:33 am to LSUBoo
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Wisconsin can probably make it up to 6 just by showing some heart and giving Ohio State a good game.
I'm laughing at this notion, but unfortunately it is true. What a fricking joke. Wisconsin was lucky to beat Northwestern.
Posted on 12/4/19 at 9:35 am to TheCaterpillar
Don't underestimate the value of a quality loss.
Germany took a couple in the first half of the 20th century and look where they are now.
Germany took a couple in the first half of the 20th century and look where they are now.
Posted on 12/4/19 at 9:36 am to Packer
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3 ranked wins vs. 1. Pretty simple
So are we now strictly looking at resumes? Last week the eye test was a pretty big factor in the rankings. Florida could easily be seen as a more "complete team", so I don't think it's that simple.
Posted on 12/4/19 at 9:36 am to Packer
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Florida has better losses, but I always thought that was an idiotic measurement of a team. Congratulations at failing better than UW.
You don't think it is different how Wisconsin lost to Ohio State in embarrassing fashion vs. Florida giving LSU a good game at night in Baton Rouge?
Wisconsin looked like a D2 school against Ohio State. It was laughable. Florida hasn't looked nearly that bad all year. That is clearly indicative of how they match up with the best teams in the country.
Posted on 12/4/19 at 9:37 am to KosmoCramer
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The simulated BCS has Florida at 8 and Wisconsin at 9.
At least they get those two teams in the right order.
Posted on 12/4/19 at 9:38 am to pvilleguru
quote:Without looking, Virginia and Oklahoma St i'd assume have significaly better SOS, and they do have better wins.
Who should they drop below? The team with a loss to Georgia Southern? The team with 4 losses? The team with a larger margin of defeat to Memphis?
Posted on 12/4/19 at 9:39 am to TheCaterpillar
That 31 point loss is the biggest of any team in the rankings up until...Cincinnati
Posted on 12/4/19 at 9:39 am to pvilleguru
They can't. They can't explain it.
Even when the committee explains it, it takes some guy on twitter you've never heard of about 10 seconds to tweet an absolute decimation of their logic.
HOWEVER, can anyone argue they have not gotten the right 4 teams in each year? I think they have. How long can they keep it up? Because once they fck up all these things we are constantly talking about actually become meaningful and get exposed.
Even when the committee explains it, it takes some guy on twitter you've never heard of about 10 seconds to tweet an absolute decimation of their logic.
HOWEVER, can anyone argue they have not gotten the right 4 teams in each year? I think they have. How long can they keep it up? Because once they fck up all these things we are constantly talking about actually become meaningful and get exposed.
Posted on 12/4/19 at 9:39 am to Packer
quote:WTF?
Florida has better losses, but I always thought that was an idiotic measurement of a team.
So if the #1 team lost to the #2 team, they should fall the same amount of spots as if they lost to a, say, 0-8 G5 team?
Posted on 12/4/19 at 9:41 am to LSUBoo
Explain how Baylor is expected to make the playoffs if they win and Wisconsin is not.
2 weeks ago Wisconsin was ranked ahead of Baylor. Since that time Baylor beat Texas and Kansas. Wisconsin beat #8 Minnesota on the road and Purdue. Opponents win totals and rankings in comparison favor UW in the last 2 weeks.
Then we look at the whole resume. Baylor has one ranked win vs #25 Ok St. Wisconsin has ranked wins vs Minnesota, Michigan, Iowa.
If it works out where Baylor and Wisconsin are competing for #4 Saturday night ... Badgers will have the upset of the season and will have an argument to jump Baylor with a stronger resume.
Yes I know, Illinois. That stupid game stings.
2 weeks ago Wisconsin was ranked ahead of Baylor. Since that time Baylor beat Texas and Kansas. Wisconsin beat #8 Minnesota on the road and Purdue. Opponents win totals and rankings in comparison favor UW in the last 2 weeks.
Then we look at the whole resume. Baylor has one ranked win vs #25 Ok St. Wisconsin has ranked wins vs Minnesota, Michigan, Iowa.
If it works out where Baylor and Wisconsin are competing for #4 Saturday night ... Badgers will have the upset of the season and will have an argument to jump Baylor with a stronger resume.
Yes I know, Illinois. That stupid game stings.
Posted on 12/4/19 at 9:42 am to pvilleguru
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Who should they drop below? The team with a loss to Georgia Southern? The team with 4 losses? The team with a larger margin of defeat to Memphis?
Transitive property is bullshite, but if you want to play that game, Georgia Southern brought Minnesota to the wire. You know, one of those Big 10 powerhouses.
And yes. At the VERY LEAST they should be behind App State.
Posted on 12/4/19 at 9:43 am to TheCaterpillar
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You don't think it is different how Wisconsin lost to Ohio State in embarrassing fashion vs. Florida giving LSU a good game at night in Baton Rouge?
You don't think it's different how Florida beat Auburn (#11) by 11, but Wisconsin beat two ranked teams (14 & 18) by an average of 21?
Posted on 12/4/19 at 9:43 am to Packer
quote:You dodged the question...
You don't think it's different how Florida beat Auburn (#11) by 11, but Wisconsin beat two ranked teams (14 & 18) by an average of 21?
Posted on 12/4/19 at 9:44 am to shel311
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So if the #1 team lost to the #2 team, they should fall the same amount of spots as if they lost to a, say, 0-8 G5 team?
In this extreme, yes, but this isn't the case here. By this metric Georgia has the worse loss of any of them and shouldn't be #4. Maybe the committee is trying to prop up LSU?
Posted on 12/4/19 at 9:46 am to shel311
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You dodged the question...
As did you when I stated UW has better wins. I guess I view the quality of wins as being more important than the quality of losses. You view that the opposite.
UW has better wins and UF has better losses. Nobody can argue that.
Posted on 12/4/19 at 9:46 am to TH03
quote:not disagreeing. Because it certainly seems that way. But I looked at all the committee members last night and I failed to see why they, as a unit, would want to do that. How do you guys suppose that conversation goes.
They're strategically placed to help OSU.
People need to understand that these rankings after 1-4 aren't really "who is better." It's "where do we put these teams to set up possible moves next week." And it seems like in this case it's "how can we back up OSU at 1."
Posted on 12/4/19 at 9:46 am to crazyatthecamp
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Explain how Baylor is expected to make the playoffs if they win and Wisconsin is not.
Because the Big XII plays everyone and has the only TRUE champion. Duh.
Posted on 12/4/19 at 9:48 am to TheCaterpillar
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If LSU wins this weekend and doesn't become #1, there should be riots. That resume would be one of the greatest in college football history.
I don't really understand the obsession with #1 and #2. Both are in the playoffs, and then ranking only matters for opponent.
Unless people are worried Clemson is that much better than OU or Utah, it's no real impact. I haven't seen a lot in Clemson that would make me think they're a much tougher out than OU or Utah.
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