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re: Dolphins potentially listening to trade offers for Jarvis Landry?

Posted on 8/29/17 at 7:22 pm to
Posted by wildtigercat93
Member since Jul 2011
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Posted on 8/29/17 at 7:22 pm to
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But the players do some strange things, like putting Ravens receiver Jacoby Jones higher on the list than Seahawks receiver Percy Harvin. And when we pointed that out on Friday, Eagles linebacker Connor Barwin said via Twitter, “[E]veryone knows no players actually vote for who’s on that list right?”

Our buddy Pat McAfee, who punts for the Colts, chimed in that he “[l]ove[s] this tweet.” So we asked NFL Network to explain the process, and to confirm that players indeed cast ballots for the list. Ideally, all players would do it.

This year, the league says only 481 of them actually did. That’s 28.3 percent of all active players.

“All players are given the opportunity to vote through ballots we send to all 32 teams around Thanksgiving,” NFL Network spokesman Alex Riethmiller told PFT via email. “For convenience sake, we try to time it with Pro Bowl balloting, so they can do them together.

In addition to ballots collected that way, we also give ballots to many of the players that we interview for our shows. This year, in total, we received 481 votes.”

To vote, each player lists only his top 20 players in the league. The player listed at No. 1 gets 20 points, the player listed at No. 2 gets 19 points, and the process continues until the player listed at No. 20 gets one point. So it’s really not a “top 100” list

. It’s the 100 players who received the highest vote totals from players who attempted to list their personal top 20, presumably without the benefit of all 32 rosters or starting lineups or Pro Bowl qualifiers or anything else that would ensure they aren’t accidentally overlooking someone as they pull 20 names out of thin air. The voting period extended from late November 2012 through early April 2013.

That range undoubtedly accounts for Jones getting more points than Harvin. During those months, Harvin didn’t play at all; Jones was responsible for postseason heroics in Denver and New Orleans, where he arguably should have been named Super Bowl MVP. So when giving a player a piece of paper and saying, “List your top 20 NFL players,” chances are that any ballots cast in February, March, and April would have had Jones higher than the out-of-sight-out-of-mind Harvin. Regardless, that outcome shows that, for the list to be more credible in the future, the process needs to improve. Preferably, the league would come up with a computer-based ballot that makes it easy — and fun — for players to drag and drop names into their own list of one through not 20 players but 100 players.


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This post was edited on 8/29/17 at 7:23 pm
Posted by StrongBackWeakMind
Member since May 2014
22650 posts
Posted on 8/29/17 at 7:22 pm to
And me saying that list is a joke, is not an untrue statement.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
111236 posts
Posted on 8/29/17 at 7:23 pm to
Conveniently skipped over this post I replied to.
Posted by lsufball19
Franklin, TN
Member since Sep 2008
65498 posts
Posted on 8/29/17 at 7:26 pm to
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But top 10 WR is

1. I didn't say he was a top 10 receiver
2. I didn't start the conversation trying to rank Landry
3. I simply said Landry was better than a top 25-30 receiver
4. There is nothing production based you can present to justify ranking him that low.

I'll say it again. He's viewed as a top 10-15 receiver by his peers, coaches, and the fans. He will be paid like one. He has produced like one. So basically all you have is, herp derp, but his combine numbers

This post was edited on 8/29/17 at 7:27 pm
Posted by lsufball19
Franklin, TN
Member since Sep 2008
65498 posts
Posted on 8/29/17 at 7:27 pm to
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And me saying that list is a joke, is not an untrue statement.

I didn't offer an opinion of the list. Someone asked "WAT" related to him being viewed that way by his peers. I provided an explanation, nothing more nothing less
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
96376 posts
Posted on 8/29/17 at 7:29 pm to
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Career avg, 3 yard difference.


One is being judged on his first 3 seasons, the other seasons 1-7

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I don't think he's elite.
wow

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Rookie, what was Landry's rookie YPC?
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Bruh, you asked me why wasn't Tannehill below average based on advanced metrics, I gave you an article with quotes that you ignored entirely. Easy there on calling me out for ignoring.
Dude, you pointed out an article based on a study by one guy. I read it. It was interesting. But I'm sorry if I didn't find it very convincing

I think tannehil is right at the 16 range of qbs. So right at average would be how I described him

However, well below average as compared to the qbs on the list for the top 15 receivers I posted
Posted by StrongBackWeakMind
Member since May 2014
22650 posts
Posted on 8/29/17 at 7:30 pm to
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I didn't offer an opinion of the list.
When you use it as support, you give credence to the list. Everyone knows that list is a joke and not to be taken seriously. Use the Pro Bowl voting for support, not the NFL Top 100 list.

ETA: Its like saying Peyton Manning was considered by his peers to be the 3rd best QB in the NFL in 2015.
This post was edited on 8/29/17 at 7:33 pm
Posted by lsufball19
Franklin, TN
Member since Sep 2008
65498 posts
Posted on 8/29/17 at 7:32 pm to
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When you use it as support, you give credence to the list.

No, I use it as support of his peers opinions. But when combined with how he is viewed by coaches and fans (his 2 straight pro bowls), his top 10 in production numbers (yards and catches), him getting paid like one (value assessed by general managers), then I'm sorry if I find your opinion that he's in the 25-30 range to be idiotic.
Posted by jeff5891
Member since Aug 2011
15761 posts
Posted on 8/29/17 at 7:32 pm to
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5114 205


Ahhhh. You meant below average combine measurables not athleticism
This post was edited on 8/29/17 at 7:33 pm
Posted by StrongBackWeakMind
Member since May 2014
22650 posts
Posted on 8/29/17 at 7:34 pm to
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I'm sorry if I find your opinion that he's in the 25-30 range to be idiotic
A) Why would you be sorry?
B) Quote me saying anything close to that.
Posted by lsufball19
Franklin, TN
Member since Sep 2008
65498 posts
Posted on 8/29/17 at 7:35 pm to
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B) Quote me saying anything close to that.

Then exactly wtf are you arguing?

Are you arguing just for the sake of arguing?
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
111236 posts
Posted on 8/29/17 at 7:36 pm to
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One is being judged on his first 3 seasons, the other seasons 1-7

Compare years 1-3 for both, still a 3 YPC advantage for Brown, so...

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wow
Rodgahs!!!

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Now
Doesn't answer my question

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Dude, you pointed out an article based on a study by one guy. I read it. It was interesting. But I'm sorry if I didn't find it very convincing

Any reason? That dude sure as heck has reviewed the tape more than you and I who see a few Tannehill snaps on Redzone each weeek.

And Fahey has gained a pretty darn good rep very quickly for his work, so he's not just some random guy. He's up and coming but he's more like the Zach Lowe of the NFL from what we've seen of him so far.

Posted by StrongBackWeakMind
Member since May 2014
22650 posts
Posted on 8/29/17 at 7:36 pm to
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Then exactly wtf are you arguing?
That the NFL Top 100 list is dogshit and no one takes it seriously.
quote:

Are you arguing just for the sake of arguing?
Is that any different than what you're doing?
Posted by lsufball19
Franklin, TN
Member since Sep 2008
65498 posts
Posted on 8/29/17 at 7:38 pm to
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Is that any different than what you're doing?

I'm arguing that Landry is much better than a top 25-30 WR. I am arguing that, based on production, he is closer to a top 10-15 WR. I apologize if I lumped you into the the group arguing the former.
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
96376 posts
Posted on 8/29/17 at 7:39 pm to
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Ahhhh. You meant below average combine measurables not athleticism


Nah, according to Lester Brady is waaaaaay below average athletically

Forget the fact, he is a hall of fame qb and also drafted to play pro baseball


Raw measurables is only one form of athleticism. Being able to perform with your body is another

Landry can make freak catches in traffic that other players can't. That takes extreme athleticism
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
96376 posts
Posted on 8/29/17 at 7:40 pm to
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That the NFL Top 100 list is dogshit and no one takes it seriously.
Im going to be you in this thread

You are absolutely wrong that no one takes it seriously
Posted by Lester Earl
Member since Nov 2003
279373 posts
Posted on 8/29/17 at 10:34 pm to
Tom Brady isn't a terrible athlete by QB standards. What a dumb fricking comparison
Posted by Lester Earl
Member since Nov 2003
279373 posts
Posted on 8/29/17 at 10:36 pm to
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Ahhhh. You meant below average combine measurables not athleticism


How do you measure an athlete, if not running, jumping, change of direction, & explosion?


Let me guess. He just has "it"!!!11
Posted by lsufball19
Franklin, TN
Member since Sep 2008
65498 posts
Posted on 8/29/17 at 11:03 pm to
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How do you measure an athlete, if not running, jumping, change of direction, & explosion?

by how well they play sports. athletic ability cannot be completely assessed by a series of drills.
Posted by theducks
Where The Blazers Play
Member since Aug 2013
13752 posts
Posted on 8/30/17 at 12:42 am to
And even if he was/is, what does it matter? A crippled Peyton Manning (post Neck surgery) went to two SBs and was still a HoF caliber QB until the second half of his 3rd season in Denver.
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