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re: Dolphins potentially listening to trade offers for Jarvis Landry?
Posted on 8/30/17 at 8:45 am to shel311
Posted on 8/30/17 at 8:45 am to shel311
quote:How many of those guys were also averaging 65 yards per game?
Like I said, I made it easy for me. You just show me all the guys who are legit #1s averaging 10ypc for their careers, and you got this one in the bag, easily.
Likely, none. So let me flip it around on you, find me a receiver who averaged 65 yards per game over their first 3 years who wasnt considered a legit #1
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Posted on 8/30/17 at 8:48 am to lsupride87
quote:As soon as you complete my request, I'll start on it.
Likely, none. So let me flip it around on you, find me a receiver who averaged 65 yards per game over their first 3 years who wasnt considered a legit #1
Still waiting...all legit #1s who averaged 10ypc.
You can't take my request, not answer it, then give me homework!!!
Also, 65 yards per game barely breaks 1000 yards. If 1000 yards is your threshold for a #1 WR, I see where our breakdown is, and we can simply agree to disagree. 65 yards per game does not make you elite. 20 WRs had 1000 yards last season, and I'm sure even more averaged 65 yards per game.
Posted on 8/30/17 at 8:48 am to lsupride87
Also, what you are intentionally being obtuse about is his trend. Lets look at Landrys YPC over each season
Rookike year- 9.0
2nd Year- 10.5
3rd year- 12.1
So, do you see a trend shel?
Rookike year- 9.0
2nd Year- 10.5
3rd year- 12.1
So, do you see a trend shel?
Posted on 8/30/17 at 8:49 am to shel311
quote:You are litetally being boom ignoring his progression by season
Still waiting...all legit #1s who averaged 10ypc.
9.0
10.5
12.1
Posted on 8/30/17 at 8:50 am to lsupride87
quote:Yes. So he's going to need to break 10ypc more than 1 time before we can crown him as a #1.
Also, what you are intentionally being obtuse about is his trend. Lets look at Landrys YPC over each season
Rookike year- 9.0
2nd Year- 10.5
3rd year- 12.1
So, do you see a trend shel?
If he goes below 12 this season, does that mean you're wrong?
Posted on 8/30/17 at 8:51 am to lsupride87
I dominate arguments when people get the facts mixed up. Shel argues just for the sake of it. We are nothing alike.
Posted on 8/30/17 at 8:51 am to lsupride87
quote:1 time, that's it.
You are litetally being boom ignoring his progression by season
9.0
10.5
12.1
Also, I still can't believe you think you can look at basic stats and not defer to those doing the research. That's amazing, and speaking of Boom...
Posted on 8/30/17 at 8:51 am to shel311
quote:No, because I am steadfast in thinking Yards per catch is an awful metric for a receiver compared to yards per game
If he goes below 12 this season, does that mean you're wrong?
Posted on 8/30/17 at 8:56 am to lsupride87
quote:Prove me wrong, give me the list of legit #1s averaging 10ypc over any 3 year span.
No, because I am steadfast in thinking Yards per catch is an awful metric for a receiver compared to yards per game
Posted on 8/30/17 at 8:57 am to lsupride87
quote:Too bad for you, you don't believe them, you stick with the basic stats without having to watch!!!
You want to bring up someone that does research on every stat and snap? Pro football focus.
They have tannehill at 18........
Posted on 8/30/17 at 8:58 am to shel311
Also, the idea, even if other advanced sites disagree, is to at least get you thinking.
And you've 100% admitted that you do not care one bit even if I gave you 100 advanced metrics sites that agreed he was top 5, you would shun them all in favor of the basic stats. You've made that very clearly of what your opinion is, and you will disregard anything to the contrary.
And you've 100% admitted that you do not care one bit even if I gave you 100 advanced metrics sites that agreed he was top 5, you would shun them all in favor of the basic stats. You've made that very clearly of what your opinion is, and you will disregard anything to the contrary.
Posted on 8/30/17 at 8:59 am to shel311
quote:SMUUUUUG
oo bad for you, you don't believe them, you stick with the basic stats without having to watch!!
My point was we can find in depth analysis by indivduals to prove anything, which is why I choose to go by a group of hardfast stats...... I look at all those stats as well, not just one.....
Posted on 8/30/17 at 9:01 am to shel311
quote:I want to see hardcore stats that can be laid out, and I want to see the complete ranking list of those correlated with it
And you've 100% admitted that you do not care one bit even if I gave you 100 advanced metrics sites that agreed he was top 5,
Using a combination of passer rating, tds/int, yards per attempt, etc gives you Brady, Brees, Rodgers, and Ryan as the top 4 then followed by Big Ben, wilson, and others consistently. I know I can trust it
Posted on 8/30/17 at 9:02 am to lsupride87
Hypothetical
2 guys throw 15 ints. 1 throws 24 interceptable passes. The other throws 12.
Doesnt matter? Only total ints?
2 guys throw 15 ints. 1 throws 24 interceptable passes. The other throws 12.
Doesnt matter? Only total ints?
Posted on 8/30/17 at 9:03 am to lsupride87
quote:
I want to see hardcore stats that can be laid out, and I want to see the complete ranking list of those correlated with it
Using a combination of passer rating, tds/int, yards per attempt, etc gives you Brady, Brees, Rodgers, and Ryan as the top 4 then followed by Big Ben, wilson, and others consistently. I know I can trust it
I can dig this.
Like PER.
Posted on 8/30/17 at 9:05 am to lsupride87
quote:Remember Files's 2 int and 119 QB rating season? What were your thoughts on that season? One of the great QB seasons?
Using a combination of passer rating, tds/int, yards per attempt, etc gives you Brady, Brees, Rodgers, and Ryan as the top 4 then followed by Big Ben, wilson, and others consistently. I know I can trust it
Posted on 8/30/17 at 9:07 am to shel311
quote:There you go again only using a couple stats.....
Remember Files's 2 int and 119 QB rating season? What were your thoughts on that season? One of the great QB seasons?
When you add in Foles only threw for 222yds/game, it shows why his data was skewed.......
Posted on 8/30/17 at 9:09 am to lsupride87
quote:So that, yards per game alone, overrides the QB rating td:int ratio, and everything else you previously mentioned? Yikes.
There you go again only using a couple stats.....
When you add in Foles only threw for 222yds/game, it shows why his data was skewed.......
You can't call me out for selective data then do the same thing.
Posted on 8/30/17 at 9:10 am to shel311
quote:No, when looking at it entirely, it paints a picture. It showed Foles had a very accurate year in an offense in which he wasnt asked to do much.
So that, yards per game alone, overrides the QB rating td:int ratio, and everything else you previously mentioned? Yikes.
quote:Im not. I am actually using all the data
You can't call me out for selective data then do the same thing.
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