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re: Dolphins potentially listening to trade offers for Jarvis Landry?
Posted on 8/29/17 at 4:34 pm to lsufball19
Posted on 8/29/17 at 4:34 pm to lsufball19
quote:It does if those things make you a possession WR who can't stretch the field like the #1s can.
It doesn't really matter how fast you can run or what you're vertical is i
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Posted on 8/29/17 at 4:41 pm to shel311
quote:
It does if those things make you a possession WR who can't stretch the field like the #1s can.
It doesn't if, despite all that, you're still in the top 10 of all major receiving categories.
Landry was ranked the 7th best WR in the NFL by his peers
LINK
He has been named to the pro bowl the past 2 seasons
He was top 10 in yards and receptions last season
So you're saying that because he doesn't have elite speed that nothing else matters?
ok Or, how does that equate to only being a top 25-30 WR in the league if all the statistical and even subjective evidence points otherwise?
This post was edited on 8/29/17 at 4:51 pm
Posted on 8/29/17 at 5:44 pm to lsufball19
quote:
athleticism is a stat? can you provide the metrics and calculations used to come up with the "athleticism stat"?
1- anything that is measurable(aka data) is a statistic.
2- why does this make you so upset?
quote:
You know who ran a terrible 40 time? Jerry Rice. Rice ran a 4.71. I
historical 40 yard dashes are not as accurately reported as they are today.
There are many sources that dispute 4.71
Posted on 8/29/17 at 6:01 pm to lsufball19
quote:No, I'm saying he's not a #1 because #1s don't average 10 YPC.
So you're saying that because he doesn't have elite speed that nothing else matters? ok
#1s in today's NFL are gamebreakers, not possession WRs.
This post was edited on 8/29/17 at 6:02 pm
Posted on 8/29/17 at 6:11 pm to Lester Earl
quote:
anything that is measurable(aka data) is a statistic.
Athleticism is not measurable. Again provide me the metric for the athleticism stat
Posted on 8/29/17 at 6:20 pm to lsufball19
do you think ODB is a better athlete than Jarvis?
Posted on 8/29/17 at 6:24 pm to shel311
quote:I saw you ignored this from earlier
No, I'm saying he's not a #1 because #1s don't average 10 YPC.
Landry averaged 12.1 last year
Antonio Brown averaged 12.1
Jordy 13.0
Michael Thomas 12.4
This post was edited on 8/29/17 at 6:25 pm
Posted on 8/29/17 at 6:30 pm to lsupride87
And he was still a 10.6 ypc guy in 14 games last year.
Had 2 big games
Had 2 big games
Posted on 8/29/17 at 6:34 pm to lsufball19
quote:What do you define as "athleticism"? I feel like that may be where this argument is breaking down.
Athleticism is not measurable
Posted on 8/29/17 at 6:39 pm to Lester Earl
quote:
do you think ODB is a better athlete than Jarvis?
That is not an answer to my question. You said Jarvis is in the 9th percentile on the athleticism stat since 1999. Please provide the metric for the athleticism stat.
Posted on 8/29/17 at 6:40 pm to lsupride87
quote:
I saw you ignored this from earlier
Landry averaged 12.1 last year
Antonio Brown averaged 12.1
Jordy 13.0
Michael Thomas 12.4
So I guess Antonio Brown isn't a #1 either
Posted on 8/29/17 at 6:44 pm to Melvin
quote:
What do you define as "athleticism"? I feel like that may be where this argument is breaking down.
This 100%. Athleticism is subjective. Lester can't seem to grasp that. Unless he provides a basis I can only assume he's using 40 times as a gauge of athleticism which IMO is unbelieveably short-sighted. I'd be more than happy to concede Odell is a better athlete but that also doesn't mean Landry is a 25-30 WR. Those aren't mutually exclusive statements
Posted on 8/29/17 at 6:49 pm to lsufball19
I guess you could look at the combine measurables, but I wouldn't feel comfortable saying someone's more athletic just based on that.
Athleticism is one of those "you know it when you see it" type of things.
Athleticism is one of those "you know it when you see it" type of things.
Posted on 8/29/17 at 6:51 pm to lsupride87
quote:SEC SEC SEC
Going by yards per game, here are the 1-15 in the nfl
1 Julio
2 AJ Green
3 ty
4 AB
5 OBJ
6 Mike evans
7 Jordy
8 Michael Thomas
9 Cooks
10 Cooper
11 Landry
12 Baldwin
13 Diggs
14 Edleman
15 Jeffrey
Posted on 8/29/17 at 6:56 pm to lsufball19
quote:In fairness, you're here arguing "top 10 WR" and that is just as measurable as athleticism, so you're contradicting yourself.
Athleticism is not measurable. Again provide me the metric for the athleticism stat
Posted on 8/29/17 at 6:57 pm to lsupride87
quote:Career avg, 3 yard difference.
Landry averaged 12.1 last year
Antonio Brown averaged 12.1
quote:I don't think he's elite.
Jordy 13.0
quote:Rookie, what was Landry's rookie YPC?
Michael Thomas 12.4
quote:Bruh, you asked me why wasn't Tannehill below average based on advanced metrics, I gave you an article with quotes that you ignored entirely. Easy there on calling me out for ignoring.
I saw you ignored this from earlier
Posted on 8/29/17 at 6:59 pm to lsufball19
quote:Again, you're contradicting yourself.
This 100%. Athleticism is subjective.
quote:He gave a few measures of athleticism in this thread.
Unless he provides a basis
quote:He didn't do that.
I can only assume he's using 40 times as a gauge of athleticism which IMO is unbelieveably short-sighted
Posted on 8/29/17 at 6:59 pm to lsufball19
I can't believe you are really arguing that athleticism cannot be measured. When every player going into the NFL runs through the same exact drills year after year, you have a sample size of metrics, ran over the same distances with the same exact variables.
When every player going into the NFL runs through the same exact drills year after year, you have a sample size of metrics, ran over the same distances with the same exact variables. Posted on 8/29/17 at 6:59 pm to shel311
quote:
In fairness, you're here arguing "top 10 WR" and that is just as measurable as athleticism, so you're contradicting yourself.
I'm at least arguing based on measurable production
Posted on 8/29/17 at 6:59 pm to Lester Earl
quote:But he's all about the top 10 WR "measurable"
I can't believe you are really arguing that athleticism cannot be measured.
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