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re: Dolphins potentially listening to trade offers for Jarvis Landry?
Posted on 8/29/17 at 1:03 pm to tigerpimpbot
Posted on 8/29/17 at 1:03 pm to tigerpimpbot
Going by yards per game, here are the 1-15 in the nfl
1 Julio
2 AJ Green
3 ty
4 AB
5 OBJ
6 Mike evans
7 Jordy
8 Michael Thomas
9 Cooks
10 Cooper
11 Landry
12 Baldwin
13 Diggs
14 Edleman
15 Jeffrey
That list is pretty freaking accurate on who are the top receivers. And or some reason, Landry is supposed to be the only one taken out as not a true top WR, even though he had arguably the worst QB out of everyone on the list?
1 Julio
2 AJ Green
3 ty
4 AB
5 OBJ
6 Mike evans
7 Jordy
8 Michael Thomas
9 Cooks
10 Cooper
11 Landry
12 Baldwin
13 Diggs
14 Edleman
15 Jeffrey
That list is pretty freaking accurate on who are the top receivers. And or some reason, Landry is supposed to be the only one taken out as not a true top WR, even though he had arguably the worst QB out of everyone on the list?
This post was edited on 8/29/17 at 1:04 pm
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Posted on 8/29/17 at 1:04 pm to Tiger1242
Ingram for Landry, make it happen Saints.
Posted on 8/29/17 at 1:08 pm to lsupride87
quote:1. Tannehill is not below average, not by any of the advanced metrics
Explain why? He was able to be top 10 in yards receiving with a below average qb and offensive system in the NFL.
2. The Gase system was highly touted, now it's below average?
3. If your #1 option is a possession WR to the tune of 10YPC your offense won't be very good in today's NFL. And you can't point to the Patriots, they're the mother of all outliers
Posted on 8/29/17 at 1:09 pm to lsupride87
quote:Where did I say he should settle for less money? Someone will offer him more, and he'll go to that team that offers him more.
Why would a guy who was 7th in catches and 10th in yards settle for anything less than top money?
I would not offer him #1 money because he's not as good as the #1s who are getting that same money.
Posted on 8/29/17 at 1:11 pm to shel311
quote:He averaged 12.1 last year
3. If your #1 option is a possession WR to the tune of 10YPC your offense won't be very good in today's NFL. And you can't point to the Patriots, they're the mother of all outliers
Antonio Brown averaged 12.1
Jordy 13.0
Michael Thomas 12.4
Posted on 8/29/17 at 1:16 pm to Lester Earl
quote:
everyone always blames Tannehill. No one ever blames Landry's below average athleticism.
Exaggerating his lack of athleticism doesn't help your argument. Furthermore, a 40 time is not the only way to gauge athleticism. But even with a non-elite 40 time, to say he's "below-average" is laughable. WHy don't you just make an honest statement like "he doesn't have elite athleticism, but elite athleticism doesn't equal an elite wide receiver. There are plenty of athletic freaks that are below average football players. And conversely there are elite football players that are not elite athletes. Landry falls somewhere in the middle. You are downplaying his ability as a football player to fit your own narrative you have tried to create. His numbers speak for themselves. He's top 10 in yards and receptions in the NFL. That does not equate to being a 25-30 receiver in the league however you try to spin it.
This post was edited on 8/29/17 at 1:29 pm
Posted on 8/29/17 at 1:16 pm to shel311
quote:What are the advanced metrics
1. Tannehill is not below average, not by any of the advanced metrics
He was 12th last year in rating
23rd in yards per game
20th in tds
Had the 15th most ints
Posted on 8/29/17 at 1:38 pm to jeff5891
quote:
Lester gonna Lester
5114
205
4.77 40yd dash
28.5" vertical jump
09' 02" broad jump
7.56 3 cone
just for fun lets compare him to LSU's undrafted DL Tashawn Bower
6'5"
250
4.82 40yd dash
31.5" vertical jump
10'01" broad jump
7.20 3 cone
This post was edited on 8/29/17 at 1:40 pm
Posted on 8/29/17 at 1:43 pm to lsupride87
quote:
What are the advanced metrics
He was 12th last year in rating
23rd in yards per game
20th in tds
Had the 15th most ints
LINK
quote:
Using subjective charting, Fahey attempts to flatten quarterback statistics and rankings, controlling for opponents, scheme, surrounding talent, randomness and luck.
He didn’t set out to write a book that vindicated Tannehill and his defenders. The data simply took him there.
Among the myths surrounding Tannehill he busted:
quote:
Reality: Tannehill was one of the league’s four most accurate passers in 2016, and of his 12 interceptions, half were the fault of his teammates — the highest rate in the league.
He had threw ninth-fewest interceptable passes (balls that should have been picked, whether the were or weren’t) among the 33 quarterbacks who played enough to be considered. And 79.6 percent of his 353 qualifying passes were on the money, trailing just Sam Bradford, Drew Brees and Aaron Rodgers.
quote:
2. OK, but he can’t throw the deep ball, right?
Reality: He was the league’s most accurate passer in passes thrown 16-20 yards beyond the line of scrimmage (an absurd 78.3 percent) and ranked third in passes thrown 21 yards or farther (55.6 percent). On passes thrown more than five yards, Tannehill was eighth in all of football, with a 67.1 accurate percentage.
quote:
3. Sure, but that’s because the Dolphins receivers bailed him out.
Reality: Tannehill had 30 “lost receptions” (which includes drops, bad footwork, a misread flight of the ball or lost control against contact) for 364 lost yards in 2016. He averaged a lost reception every 13 attempts, the 11th-highest rate in football.
Tannehill's receivers created just nine receptions for him in 2016 (eighth-fewest in football). His receivers created a reception once every 43.22 of Tannehill's qualifying attempts, which ranked 21st last year.
Tannehill's receivers did help him in one important way, however: 49.5 percent of his 2,995 passing yards came after the catch, the league’s ninth-highest rate.
Posted on 8/29/17 at 1:50 pm to shel311
quote:
Using subjective charting, Fahey attempts to flatten quarterback statistics and rankings, controlling for opponents, scheme, surrounding talent, randomness and luck.
What did he say about Stafford?
Posted on 8/29/17 at 1:51 pm to lsufball19
quote:
Exaggerating his lack of athleticism
his athleticism profiles ranks in the 9th percentile of NFL WR's. Im not exaggerating anything.
If you dont know what that means, i can explain. He has great instincts, body positioning, runs great routes, has huge, strong hands. HIs athleticism will always cap him though. I love watching him play and surely am a huge fan of his.
Posted on 8/29/17 at 2:24 pm to Lester Earl
quote:
his athleticism profiles ranks in the 9th percentile of NFL WR's.
is that a real stat? Im genuinely curious
Posted on 8/29/17 at 2:27 pm to SECSolomonGrundy
quote:
is that a real stat? Im genuinely curious
yes. That is not just currently NFL WRs. That is all WRs since 1999
Posted on 8/29/17 at 2:57 pm to rockiee
quote:shite. Good question, I'm too nervous to check.
What did he say about Stafford?
But whatever it is, I'll stand by it. if Fahey says similar things, i'll concede I was wrong.
I assume you're talking about the Stafford thread.
Posted on 8/29/17 at 2:58 pm to shel311
quote:
I assume you're talking about the Stafford thread.
Yes, but I haven't really taken a side. Seeing what he said on other QBs would give some more context though.
Posted on 8/29/17 at 3:16 pm to rockiee
quote:i posted his Stafford take in the thread.
Yes, but I haven't really taken a side. Seeing what he said on other QBs would give some more context though.
Posted on 8/29/17 at 3:34 pm to Hot Carl
If only he had a competent QB like OBJ does.
Posted on 8/29/17 at 4:03 pm to shel311
How would you rank the qbs of the receivers in the top 15?
Going by yards per game, here are the 1-15 in the nfl
1 Julio -ryan
2 AJ Green-dalton
3 TY- luck
4 AB - Big Ben
5 OBJ - manning
6 Mike evans - Winston
7 Jordy - arod
8 Michael Thomas- brees
9 Cooks - brees
10 Cooper - carr
11 Landry - tannehill
12 Baldwin - Wilson
13 Diggs -Bradford
14 Edleman - Brady
15 Jeffrey - cutler
I would think it is safe to say Tannehil is 3-4th worst on that list
Going by yards per game, here are the 1-15 in the nfl
1 Julio -ryan
2 AJ Green-dalton
3 TY- luck
4 AB - Big Ben
5 OBJ - manning
6 Mike evans - Winston
7 Jordy - arod
8 Michael Thomas- brees
9 Cooks - brees
10 Cooper - carr
11 Landry - tannehill
12 Baldwin - Wilson
13 Diggs -Bradford
14 Edleman - Brady
15 Jeffrey - cutler
I would think it is safe to say Tannehil is 3-4th worst on that list
Posted on 8/29/17 at 4:27 pm to Lester Earl
quote:
his athleticism profiles ranks in the 9th percentile of NFL WR's.
athleticism is a stat? can you provide the metrics and calculations used to come up with the "athleticism stat"?
You know who ran a terrible 40 time? Jerry Rice. Rice ran a 4.71. I don;t think his "lack of athleticism" held him back. You know why? Because he did all the things that make you a good football player well. It doesn't really matter how fast you can run or what you're vertical is if you can't do anything else, and not knowing how to play football will hold you back a lot more than your 40 time.
This post was edited on 8/29/17 at 4:31 pm
Posted on 8/29/17 at 4:32 pm to lsupride87
Dang, you gonna ignore the post and points I made/quoted? Boo!!
And short answer, more than 3-4 from that list.
And short answer, more than 3-4 from that list.
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