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Does UCLA’s failure show the writing on the wall for the PAC?
Posted on 4/9/19 at 10:56 am
Posted on 4/9/19 at 10:56 am
As we have watched UCLA fail to get one choice after another plenty of people have given reasons why but the bottom line is they aren’t putting enough money on the table despite it being their primary sport of emphasis. They are the bluest of bloods in the sport and they can’t money-whip Big 12 coaches or even coaches from SEC football factories.
The backdrop to this is the fact that the PAC Network has been a failure and the PAC makes way less money than any other Power 5 conference. That doesn’t explain everything- UCLA also spreads it’s money around to more sports- but you have to figure if they were pulling in even Big 12 or ACC money right now they would have at least bought out Dixon to save face.
Everyone wants to talk about the Big 12 falling apart, but it feels like the PAC that will be the conference most ripe for picking when it’s current TV deal expires in 2023. The only thing protecting the conference really is location, but a bigger AD budget means private jets.
If I am a Texas, who is facing a situation where the Big 12 GOR expires in 2024 but the LHN contract goes through 2030, I would be lining up a Big 12 offer for a pile of PAC programs around that timeframe. When the Big 12 is making so much more money and having so much more revenue sports success it’s just outdated thinking that has that conference as the weakest link.
UCLA not having enough money to buy the coaches they want tell us it’s actually the PAC that is in the most trouble. I would be terrified if I was someone like an Oregon State right now.
The backdrop to this is the fact that the PAC Network has been a failure and the PAC makes way less money than any other Power 5 conference. That doesn’t explain everything- UCLA also spreads it’s money around to more sports- but you have to figure if they were pulling in even Big 12 or ACC money right now they would have at least bought out Dixon to save face.
Everyone wants to talk about the Big 12 falling apart, but it feels like the PAC that will be the conference most ripe for picking when it’s current TV deal expires in 2023. The only thing protecting the conference really is location, but a bigger AD budget means private jets.
If I am a Texas, who is facing a situation where the Big 12 GOR expires in 2024 but the LHN contract goes through 2030, I would be lining up a Big 12 offer for a pile of PAC programs around that timeframe. When the Big 12 is making so much more money and having so much more revenue sports success it’s just outdated thinking that has that conference as the weakest link.
UCLA not having enough money to buy the coaches they want tell us it’s actually the PAC that is in the most trouble. I would be terrified if I was someone like an Oregon State right now.
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Posted on 4/9/19 at 11:03 am to cardboardboxer
UCLA has other issues at the moment. It's not like they are capable of going all out for a coach.
Perhaps Alford was fired prematurely.
Perhaps Alford was fired prematurely.
Posted on 4/9/19 at 11:04 am to cardboardboxer
No, it just tells us UCLA's athletic department is a shite show.
Posted on 4/9/19 at 11:04 am to cardboardboxer
I think this shows more about UCLA than the PAC 12.
It’s resembled something closer to UT’s attempts to replace Mack Brown than anything else, as they believe themselves to be a premiere job in the country but lowball their targets in various ways because they think the privilege of coaching UCLA holds some cache today.
If they had offered Cal more than what Kentucky was paying them, he may have considered it.
If they had paid off the buyout of the TCU coach, they would have had him.
Now they’re down to third and fourth tier candidates after being shown that they are pinching pennies like Joe Dean looking in the dollar store for an LSU football coach in the 1990s.
It’s resembled something closer to UT’s attempts to replace Mack Brown than anything else, as they believe themselves to be a premiere job in the country but lowball their targets in various ways because they think the privilege of coaching UCLA holds some cache today.
If they had offered Cal more than what Kentucky was paying them, he may have considered it.
If they had paid off the buyout of the TCU coach, they would have had him.
Now they’re down to third and fourth tier candidates after being shown that they are pinching pennies like Joe Dean looking in the dollar store for an LSU football coach in the 1990s.
Posted on 4/9/19 at 11:05 am to cardboardboxer
PAC is absolutely in a state of disarray. They haven’t been competing in football. They’re not in competition in basketball. They have trouble hiring coaches now. Network was a huge failure. Their fan bases are lackluster
To imagine 8 years ago there was an idea that the PAC could become a super conference and take Texas and Oklahoma
To imagine 8 years ago there was an idea that the PAC could become a super conference and take Texas and Oklahoma
Posted on 4/9/19 at 11:07 am to oliveandblue
Pac12 has been dead for awhile. No football championships since 1991 (2004 vacated) and no basketball championship since 1997
Posted on 4/9/19 at 11:08 am to cardboardboxer
The P12 network is a failure, but this hiring cycle is on UCLA, not the Pac.
UW did very well with their recent hire. Oregon has been trending way up under Altman. Enfield is doing well with SC.
UCLA has larger issues with revenue and is a state system school in a state with a TON of schools to split money.
The biggest issue is they botched the process and got used by major coaches for raises.
UW did very well with their recent hire. Oregon has been trending way up under Altman. Enfield is doing well with SC.
UCLA has larger issues with revenue and is a state system school in a state with a TON of schools to split money.
The biggest issue is they botched the process and got used by major coaches for raises.
Posted on 4/9/19 at 11:08 am to Upperdecker
USC and Oregon flying high made people crazy.
Didn’t help that Cal went more nuts than normal between their athletic department hitting the skids and their administration being openly hostile to any religiously affiliated institution joining the conference.
Didn’t help that Cal went more nuts than normal between their athletic department hitting the skids and their administration being openly hostile to any religiously affiliated institution joining the conference.
Posted on 4/9/19 at 11:10 am to CarolinaGamecock99
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Pac12 has been dead for awhile. No football championships since 1991 (2004 vacated) and no basketball championship since 1997
Nobody gives a shite that the title was vacated. USC won it. End of story.
Posted on 4/9/19 at 11:10 am to cardboardboxer
Utah, Colorado, and the two Arizonas should be prime targets for the Big XII...
Posted on 4/9/19 at 11:13 am to chalmetteowl
Not seeing it, if only because Colorado just left the Big 12 because they weren’t getting enough money and they wanted to be tied into a more prestigious set of institutions. And the PAC 12 is the latter with the major exception of Arizona State.
Posted on 4/9/19 at 11:13 am to chalmetteowl
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Colorado
come home Ralphie
Posted on 4/9/19 at 11:14 am to cardboardboxer
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Everyone wants to talk about the Big 12 falling apart, but it feels like the PAC that will be the conference most ripe for picking when it’s current TV deal expires in 2023.
NoPosted on 4/9/19 at 11:14 am to Dr RC
Ok. Then the pac12 has 1* championship in the last 27 years
Posted on 4/9/19 at 11:15 am to cardboardboxer
The changing demographics of California are the biggest long term issue with the ability of the Pac-12 to stay at all relevant. It's done as a major conference in football and basketball.
Posted on 4/9/19 at 11:21 am to cardboardboxer
UCLA has 1 title since '75, and that was almost 25 years ago. Outside of Arizona I've never thought of the PAC 12 as a basketball conference, so they've benefited from favorable NCAA seedings and locations (not to the extent of Duke and UNC) because of their inflated conference records. Point being, UCLA is no more relevant than any other P5 job with above average fan support, as much as the media tries to say that isn't the case.
Posted on 4/9/19 at 11:33 am to usc6158
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It's done as a major conference in football and basketball.
This board is so overdramatic
The conference will be fine. In football, the only reason SC sucks is because of the head coach, not any changes in demographics. CA still produces a ton of talent. Oregon and UW have a chance to be very good moving forward. Posted on 4/9/19 at 11:45 am to cardboardboxer
The PAC 12 only really has baseball going for it right now.
The reason the PAC 12 Networks have been a failure (notice I said networks, not network) is because of the lack of one single network. Starting off with expecting providers to pay for six complete channels instead of one single network was a drastic overreach for Larry Scott. As long as the primary economic focus of the U.S. is on Eastern Time, trying to market six separate networks for an area in which your primary markets don't really care that much about college sports made failure inevitable.
The reason the PAC 12 Networks have been a failure (notice I said networks, not network) is because of the lack of one single network. Starting off with expecting providers to pay for six complete channels instead of one single network was a drastic overreach for Larry Scott. As long as the primary economic focus of the U.S. is on Eastern Time, trying to market six separate networks for an area in which your primary markets don't really care that much about college sports made failure inevitable.
Posted on 4/9/19 at 11:50 am to teke184
Cal wasnt going anywhere, but your assessment about UCLA is spot on.
Posted on 4/9/19 at 11:56 am to RLDSC FAN
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This board is so overdramatic The conference will be fine. In football, the only reason SC sucks is because of the head coach, not any changes in demographics. CA still produces a ton of talent. Oregon and UW have a chance to be very good moving forward.
In any other conference i would agree with you, but something tells me that the PAC 12 is actually in real trouble. People may not want to admit it, but the changing demographics and the political environment is becoming a major issue on the west coast and in the PAC 12. Some of those schools have student bodies and fan bases who absolutely give zero interest to sports. Its hurting the conferences ratings and bottom dollar and nothing suggests that i will change. If anything, its only going to get worse at PAC 12 universities. The political climate is already bad enough nation wide, but the west coast is on a whole different level. Yes, USC and Oregon are going to always be somewhat relevant, but as of now, the PAC 12 is a mess.
This post was edited on 4/9/19 at 11:57 am
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