re: does anyone believe pete carroll about why he left usc?

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usc was under investigation for 5 years for all sorts of cheating.

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no

reggie bush's eligibility was under investigation

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probably

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This word is why what you said isn't a "fact".

No, the facts of the case are why he probably didn't expect harsh sanctions.

It never ceases to amaze me how so many on this board are so quick to support the NCAA on this case.

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shouldn't usc's compliance office known where reggie's parents were living?

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Reggie Bush's parents aren't scholarship athletes.

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if they had paid any attention, they would have known they were living in a nearly million dollar house.

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Which in California isn't nearly as big a deal as in, say, Baton Rouge.

And if they found out, what should they do? Suspend Bush? What if his dad had gotten a raise at work? Are his parents supposed to provide financials every year?

By the way, you should remember that the ONLY reason this "scandal" came up is because the butthurt agent ran to the NCAA when Bush chose NOT to sign with him.

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 usc's compliance office, if they really did not know, didn't know because they didn't want to know. 

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Are they supposed to check on every player's parents? What about the kids whose parents live on the other side of the country? Should the USC compliance office be on their cases?

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men's basketball (Mayo)

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Mayo was paid by people directly connected to USC in order to get him to attend USC. Totally different from the Bush situation.

The NCAA intentionally wrapped the two cases together because they knew that they could control the narrative that way. Look at how people claim that Carroll "cheated" and cite Bush as "proof".

There may have been LOIC with Mayo, but the Bush case was not an example of that. Neither you nor the NCAA can reasonably expect a school to control what a student's parent does.

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sorry but a million dollar house is a million dollar house.

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You've never been to California, have you?

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No, the facts of the case are why he probably didn't expect harsh sanctions.

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It's been all these years later - and I'd bet almost everyone who posts about USC in support of the NCAA - has never read their ridiculous and completely "thin" case against USC.

After reading the NCAA report and the "evidence" (one Todd McNair - coach at USC) - ESPN’s Ted Miller...wrote, “It's become an accepted fact among informed college football observers that the NCAA sanctions against USC were a travesty of justice, and the NCAA’s refusal to revisit that travesty are a massive act of cowardice on the part of the organization.”

ESPN's Ted Miller also states that the sanctions had more to do with objections to the football culture at USC than its alleged noncompliance with NCAA rules:

"During a flight delay last year, I was cornered at an airport by an administrator from a major program outside the Pac-12. He made fun of me as a "USC fanboy" because of my rants against the NCAA ruling against the Trojans. But we started talking. Turned out he agreed with just about all my points. (He just didn't like USC.)

He told me, after some small talk and off-the-record, that "everybody" thought USC got screwed. He said that he thought the NCAA was trying to scare everyone with the ruling, but subsequent major violations cases put it in a pickle.

Then he told me that USC was punished for its "USC-ness," that while many teams had closed down access — to media, to fans, etc. — USC under Pete Carroll was completely open, and that was widely resented. There was a widespread belief the national media fawned on USC because of this. Further, more than a few schools thought that the presence of big-time celebrities, such as Snoop Dogg and Will Ferrell, at practices and at games constituted an unfair recruiting advantage for the Trojans.

It wasn't against the rules, but everyone hated it. This, as he assessed his own smell test, was a subtext of the so-called atmosphere of noncompliance that the NCAA referred to — an atmosphere that oddly yielded very few instances of noncompliance around the football program even after a four-year NCAA investigation."

Post-script...

Todd McNair, a running backs assistant coach at USC, sued the NCAA in June 2011, claiming that the NCAA's investigation was one-sided and his future earnings were impaired by its report on the scandal that led to sanctions against USC. The NCAA determined McNair lied about knowing about some of the gifts to Bush's family.

On November 21, 2012, Los Angeles Superior Court Judge Frederick Shaller ruled that the NCAA was "malicious" in its investigation of McNair. In his ruling, the Judge stated that e-mails between an investigative committee member, an NCAA worker, and a person who works in the agency's appeals division "tend to show ill will or hatred" toward McNair.

No one expected the punishment because the facts didn't support it. Everyone at USC was shocked.

I seriously doubt PC thought for a second that a hammer was going to come down on USC. Everyone thought the NCAA had no case tying the football program to the wannabe-agent/Bush affair that was outside of USC.

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I'm not going to take your success as legitimate.

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Oh my god somebody go take back their Lombardi, random Internet poster doesn't think the success is legitimate

I never thought PC would succeed like he has in the NFL - I thought he was perfect for college with his rah-rah...feel good attitude and philosophy...and upbeat personna. It was college infectious.

I think 4 Seahawks remained on the roster Carroll inherited when he took over that were on the SB team...

Holmgren went 4-12 in his final season as head coach in 2008 with Ruskell promoting Jim Mora to head coach for the 2009 season. Mora led Seattle to a 5-11 record as Ruskell resigned midseason. Mora was then fired after just one season as head coach with owner Paul Allen and CEO Tod Leiweke convincing Carroll to return to the NFL.

The roster Carroll had inherited was old, small and slow in comparison to many other teams across the league. Under Carroll, Seattle won a historically weak NFC West in 2010 and pulled off an upset victory over the defending Super Bowl champion New Orleans Saints. Seattle compiled 284 roster moves in their first year with Carroll at the helm in an attempt to overturn the roster.

The Seahawks have now made the playoffs in three of Carroll’s four seasons as head coach and won games in the postseason each time. Seattle won their first Super Bowl in February with a 43-8 thrashing of the Denver Broncos.

You can't argue with that. He's proven to be a great all-around coach and not just a college motivator and recruiter.

blaming this on celebrities on the sideline and the ncaa not liking that is a red herring.

reggie bush received hundreds of thousands of dollars in benefits while at usc. the agent who gave him that money, he met him in the usc lockerroom. i just dont see how usc didn't know. and if they didnt know its because they wanted to keep their head in the sand. the real recruiting advantage usc had during carroll's tenure was reggie bush - on magazines with sports cars and parents living in million dollar house.