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re: Does Anyone Actually Like College Football More with NIL and Unlimited Portal?

Posted on 11/12/24 at 11:36 am to
Posted by danilo
Member since Nov 2008
23406 posts
Posted on 11/12/24 at 11:36 am to
I support free enterprise. I like it

All the changes (super conferences, mega tv deals, sucking gambling dick, top coaches getting over $10M, Notre Dame not being in a conference) are being driven by money. Love seeing the players getting paid.
This post was edited on 11/12/24 at 11:40 am
Posted by nerdmachine
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2019
361 posts
Posted on 11/12/24 at 12:51 pm to
I like NIL because it’s evened the playing field more. Portal needs to be curtailed some. Let’s be honest, players were getting paid under the table for years anyway especially by the “blue bloods” now it’s just public.
Posted by QJenk
Atl, Ga
Member since Jan 2013
16696 posts
Posted on 11/12/24 at 1:12 pm to
Tbh I love the transfer portal. I definitely think that made college football even better. At the same time, I hate what NIL has became. It's probably impossible to go back to what once was at this point, but they do need to put some much stricter restrictions in place.
Posted by barry
Location, Location, Location
Member since Aug 2006
50909 posts
Posted on 11/12/24 at 2:02 pm to
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Tbh I love the transfer portal. I definitely think that made college football even better. At the same time, I hate what NIL has became. It's probably impossible to go back to what once was at this point, but they do need to put some much stricter restrictions in place.


I think it's a lot like when they restricted the number of scholarships. You had a few teams dominating because they had 150 kids on scholarship. The talent dispersed a lot more.
Posted by QJenk
Atl, Ga
Member since Jan 2013
16696 posts
Posted on 11/12/24 at 3:37 pm to
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There used to be great joy in signing a guy (idc what his star rating was or how good he was) and watching his progress. He may have redshirted as a freshman bc he was so raw. Maybe saw some mop up duty or special teams work as a redhisrt freshman. As a RSo maybe he's 2/3 string and spelling a guy in the second half. Maybe he's solidly in the rotation as a Junior and by the time he's a 5th year senior he's starting and you can see not only the fruits of all his hard work, but how the coahces have brought him up from a raw prospect to a bonafide football player.


That's a great story, but personally it isn't all it's cracked up to be. What about when that player never develops they way you'd want him to. Previously, players were stuck waiting that entire time, even though they could be producing and contributing elsewhere. Players careers were completely wasted, because their coach did not know how to use them properly. That doesn't have to be the case anymore.
Before, you may have to wait 2-3 years for that quarterback to finally figure it out, and then your team can have a run. Now, you don't have to wait that entire time.
Let's say you have a championship ready roster filled with a bunch of guys ready to go pro after the season, but a terrible inexperienced quarterback. Instead of wasting that season for all the graduating seniors, you can grab an experienced quarterback out of the portal.
Posted by tigerbait17
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2014
1255 posts
Posted on 11/12/24 at 3:44 pm to
I think that the product has only gotten better. I agree with the fact that it is a soulless corporation know but that is what it has always been unfortunately. IT was just the top 15 or so schools stacking all of the chips in their favor. Now you truly have a level playing field and teams who never dreamed of winning have a shot.
Posted by Globetrotter747
Member since Sep 2017
4907 posts
Posted on 11/12/24 at 4:33 pm to
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Does Anyone Actually Like College Football More with NIL and Unlimited Portal?

Even though it is a joke to call them “student athletes,” college and college sports should still exist to benefit the so-called students - not the fans or coaches. Therefore, I support NIL and the portal.

If you don’t like it all as a fan, then don’t watch or contribute. If the coaches don’t like it, they can go to LinkedIn and find another $10,000,000 a year job.

CFB is a life-or-death multibillion dollar business, and not just anyone can line up and perform at a national championship level. There are only so many athletic 6’6’ 300+ lb. bodies that can bench press 500 lbs. and play LT for Ohio State.

The players have leverage, and they are cashing in. Good for them.
Posted by RunningJacket
Member since Dec 2008
493 posts
Posted on 11/12/24 at 4:44 pm to
Guard rails? What does that even mean? No one will pay any attention to guard rails, salary caps, or really any rule.

Up until a few years ago it was AGAINST the NCAA rules to pay a player or “induce” him. But it was still done for the past 50 years.

What many if you long for are the days where your team could cheat while being protected by the NCAA which allowed a handful of schools to dominate on the field. It was all a rigged system.

Now that it’s available to all programs suddenly the sport is horrible and “corporate”. Come on now. I can’t wait until a lot of these also ran programs with big time money start buying wins and Natties. We are just at the infancy stages of this new era but we all know there is a lot of deep money out there that will eventually buy wins. It’s gonna be fun to watch.
Posted by chalmetteowl
Chalmette
Member since Jan 2008
51827 posts
Posted on 11/12/24 at 5:15 pm to
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can grab an experienced quarterback out of the portal.


And that works for the QB too… a future pro won’t have to be stuck on a team struggling to make a bowl or have a winning record.
Posted by SHPMustang
Houston
Member since Jan 2021
61 posts
Posted on 11/12/24 at 7:03 pm to
Which players and their families? All? Most? A select few? Which sports? All sports? Revenue producing ones only?

At every step of the way, the proponents of player compensation have appealed to emotion aka "won't somebody please think of the children." It was the central tenet of the pressure campaign in the marketplace of ideas and to motivate the legislators. But the proponents weren't honest and forthright.

As it currently stands, player compensation is an extreme pareto distribution along the lines of Onlyfans, i.e., a small percentage of the players are making nearly all of the money. This has resulted in a system where a Carson Beck can afford to purchase a frivolity like a $300k lambo and UGA can throw millions at players in the transfer portal; meanwhile, there are players lettering in football at UGA that will never see a dime. Also a safe bet that a lot of Georgia Bulldog student athletes in non-revenue producing sports won't see any NIL money either.

Mind you, I'm not here to advocate that the fourth string punter or someone on the track team must receive an equal amount to a Carson Beck or Trevor Etienne. The free market is the free market, and sources of NIL funds will ultimately pay only whom they want to, or they won't pay at all.

I'm concerned that the excess amounts of money being spent today via "NIL" coupled with all the changes that the NCAA settlements will wrought will make it unsustainable for most if not all schools to be involved in intercollegiate athletics. Which players and their families will ultimately benefit if the Louisiana Christian University's of the world are the only schools left that sponsor intercollegiate athletics?

As for Saban, he was akin to a CEO of a large company. Under his leadership, his programs earned millions of dollars for LSU and Alabama. A lot of people and their families depended on the program for their livelihoods. That's an astronomical amount of pressure. What non-football responsibilities did a Barrett Jones take on that should have earned him "leverage?"



This post was edited on 11/12/24 at 7:05 pm
Posted by Mizz-SEC
Inbred Huntin' In The SEC
Member since Jun 2013
20973 posts
Posted on 11/12/24 at 7:32 pm to
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The “‘middle class” Power 4 teams are doing much better with the new rules. Like there’s no way Indiana would be 10-0 in the pre-portal era. They’ve been very successful because they were able to poach a lot of really good players from successful G5 programs.

That's why most of the crying and handwringing is coming from fans of the bluebloods.

Their little insulated fifedoms are being challenged.
Posted by GerseyCX
Member since Sep 2022
75 posts
Posted on 11/12/24 at 7:56 pm to
It was boring when Alabama got every player and won every game. NIL era seems better for sure.
Posted by elprez00
Hammond, LA
Member since Sep 2011
30677 posts
Posted on 11/12/24 at 8:03 pm to
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NIL

Have zero issue with this.
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Unlimited Portal?

This is the problem. Let’s not act like schools weren’t taking care of players all along. But the portal is what’s ruining the sport.

Easy fix. Give the kids one free transfer, then you sit out a year. That gives some flexibility if they end up in a bad situation but doesn’t allow every kid to bolt the second they don’t get what they want.
Posted by RunningJacket
Member since Dec 2008
493 posts
Posted on 11/12/24 at 8:27 pm to
So, some of you feel bad because a Carson Beck gets hundreds of thousands while a volleyball player gets none? Did you feel bad when Herschel got a Camaro or Roquan got bags of cash in his locker while the baseball players got nothing? No one cares because all we care about is winning the games. Saban and Kirby bought championships and their fanbases loved it - as they should have, but don't pretend it was on the level and those 5 star players just somehow ended up at those schools.

I just laugh at all the concern when you showed zero concern for decades when football and basketball players were admitted into your schools when they would have NEVER been accepted thru the normal student process.

And the portal is here to stay. There is no way around court decisions no matter what you call a league or organize a league. Sure, have them sign a contract and then wait a week until the breach of contract lawsuits start flying because the claim of a “Coach lied”.
Posted by Globetrotter747
Member since Sep 2017
4907 posts
Posted on 11/13/24 at 5:30 am to
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As for Saban, he was akin to a CEO of a large company. Under his leadership, his programs earned millions of dollars for LSU and Alabama.

The brand of the university and the talent of the players are way more important than the coaches.

No one would watch Saban coach a bunch of washed up players for the Birmingham Stallions at Protective Stadium. They would, however, still watch the 5 stars from major universities if they were all coached by high school staffs.

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That's an astronomical amount of pressure.

Is it? If you get fired you get more money than all of us combined will see in a lifetime. Big deal. If the everyday person gets fired, he has to figure out how to pay the mortgage.

The fans have warped the importance of college football, and the players are taking advantage of it.

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What non-football responsibilities did a Barrett Jones take on that should have earned him "leverage?"

Since people are obviously willing to pay the best players millions to play for their program, it seems what they do on the field is quite important to the operation of the machine.
Posted by Overbrook
Member since May 2013
6250 posts
Posted on 11/13/24 at 6:58 am to
Love it. It’s helped the Green Wave. Because it can only be funded by private parties and not through $70 million annual TV contracts, as of now at least, it’s helped us get a lot better and narrow the gap. The NIL donor is right in the demographic of our core supporters. People are also much more eager to give when they know it will go to help the team and cannot be hijacked by the university and athletic department that simply has not prioritized winning over the years.
Posted by Gaston
Dirty Coast
Member since Aug 2008
41208 posts
Posted on 11/13/24 at 7:22 am to
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there are players lettering in football at UGA that will never see a dime


The lowest rated kid on UGA likely gets paid well north on a $100k/yr. Walk ons maybe not, but some got paid to take that walk on status.

Let’s say it’s $65k/yr. Everything else is payed for. I think of it as simply removing them off of the parent’s dime. My son can fly and go get the training he needs to try and go pro…and I don’t have to pay for it. That’s empowering for him…and he’s a 3 star.

It’s helping all players…not just the ones who can afford a Lambo.
Posted by chalmetteowl
Chalmette
Member since Jan 2008
51827 posts
Posted on 11/13/24 at 7:25 am to
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They would, however, still watch the 5 stars from major universities if they were all coached by high school staffs.


This is IMG Academy… and no one cares about them except for junkies

You need an actual brand and people that care for people to care… like Alabama, Georgia, LSU, the SEC, etc.
Posted by MintBerry Crunch
Member since Nov 2010
5486 posts
Posted on 11/13/24 at 7:45 am to
The playoffs are going to be awesome, just saying.

It’ll be just like the regular season used to be, where every game counted, but condensed into a handful of games.
Posted by alajones
Huntsvegas
Member since Oct 2005
35283 posts
Posted on 11/13/24 at 8:05 am to
I still like LSU, so yeah.
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