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re: Do you think Randy Johnson will get into the HOF next year?
Posted on 1/9/14 at 9:59 am to craigbiggio
Posted on 1/9/14 at 9:59 am to craigbiggio
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3 Astros going in next year
Will he go in as an Astro?
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Posted on 1/9/14 at 9:59 am to TheRookbird
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His 72 season was insane though.
27-10 for a team that won 59 games. THIS is how you win a Cy Young for a last-place team.
Posted on 1/9/14 at 10:01 am to Baloo
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Johnson's got a case, but there is that Lefty Grove guy.
I just wanna throw out Warren Spahn. didn't win a big league game till he was 26, then won 363 of them, AFTER fighting in WW2.
Posted on 1/9/14 at 10:09 am to goldennugget
Posted on 1/9/14 at 10:10 am to Sevendust912
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Steve Carlton FTMFW
the man pitched 346 innings in a single season!
That's a great number and all but that wasn't even the most innings pitched by a lefty that year.
Posted on 1/9/14 at 10:14 am to SPEEDY
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That's a great number and all but that wasn't even the most innings pitched by a lefty that year.
Come on.....Wilbur Wood was a knuckleballer
Posted on 1/9/14 at 10:16 am to goldennugget
Idk, is Pedro a HOFer?
Posted on 1/9/14 at 10:17 am to goldennugget
The only question is will he go in as a mariner or a diamondback
Posted on 1/9/14 at 10:18 am to LL012697
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Idk, is Pedro a HOFer?
Absolutely.
Posted on 1/9/14 at 10:22 am to FightinTigersDammit
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Warren Spahn. didn't win a big league game till he was 26, then won 363 of them, AFTER fighting in WW2
After earning a purple heart at the Battle of the Bulge. Spahn was 17 time all-star, most wins for a lefty. He led or shared the lead in the NL in wins from 1957–1961 (ages 36 through 40). I think he still holds the NL homerun record for a NL pitcher.
Posted on 1/9/14 at 10:23 am to TheRookbird
Posted on 1/9/14 at 10:25 am to FightinTigersDammit
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Come on.....Wilbur Wood was a knuckleballer
Ok, well Mickey Lolich, another lefty, threw 327 innings that same season and 376 innings the year before.
Posted on 1/9/14 at 10:28 am to SPEEDY
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Mickey Lolich
I will accept this answer. Modern pitchers don't know how good they have it.
Posted on 1/9/14 at 10:29 am to Tiger1242
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Will he go in as an Astro?
I was actin a fool (although his stint with the Astros was the most dominant run I've ever seen).
He was an icon as a Mariner, but he should be wearing a D-backs cap in the hall. IMO
Posted on 1/9/14 at 10:39 am to goldennugget
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It will probably be close but I hope he gets in
It will be close, but he'll get in. He'll just have to duck a little.
Posted on 1/9/14 at 10:46 am to LSUballs
I made this thread because Johnson pitched mainly for 2 small market teams with little national appeal in his prime, if he played for New York or Boston he would be heralded as the best player ever. I know he pitched for NYY but it was past his prime
Posted on 1/9/14 at 10:56 am to goldennugget
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I made this thread because Johnson pitched mainly for 2 small market teams with little national appeal in his prime
When you are 6'10" and throw HEAT like he did.. There is no such thing as small market.....
Posted on 1/9/14 at 11:00 am to goldennugget
The Big Unit was the most dominate pitcher I have seen in my life time (other than Pedro, but I've always hated the Red Sox) . I remember seeing him in the dome for the little while he was with the stros. That '98 team should have won it all 
This post was edited on 1/9/14 at 11:07 am
Posted on 1/9/14 at 11:02 am to TheRookbird
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From a statistical standpoint, there's arguably no pitcher as dominant as Koufax from 61-66.
This is blasphemy, but I think outside of Nolan Ryan, there is no single player in baseball history more overrated than Sandy Koufax. He's a Hall of Famer and a great piayer, but this quoted statement is plainly untrue.
ERA+ is a good way to normalize ERA across ERa's, as it compares ERA to league average, with 100 being league average and every point of ERA+ representing a percentage point above/below league average. Here's Koufax, year-by-year in 1961-66
122
143
159
186
160
190
Now, that's awesome. He was about 50% better than the league, which is Hall o Fame great. Now, let's look at Pedro Martinez from 1997-2003 (a long span, BTW)
219
163
243
291 (!!!)
188
202
211
Pedro's WORST year ranks right with Koufax's best. That's how mind-numbingly awesome Pedro was. He was literally over twice as good as the league when he pitched. It was insane. His career ERA+ is 154 to Koufax's 131 (who had no decline phase).
Randy Johnson, when he won four straight Cy Youngs, had ERA+ of 184, 181, 188, and 195 and a career mark of 135+. He also has the highest K/9 rate in the history of baseball, and would've broken Ryan's strikeout record of his team hadn't delayed his development and kept him in the minors too long. He pitched more innings at age 26 (219) than he had in his entire career combined at that point. He essentially lost the first 3-5 years of his career due to organizational stupidity.
This isn't to say Koufax sucks, only to point out how insanely great Pedro and the Big Unit were.
Posted on 1/9/14 at 11:09 am to Baloo
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This is blasphemy, but I think outside of Nolan Ryan, there is no single player in baseball history more overrated than Sandy Koufax.
I bet Pete Rose should be in this discussion well.
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