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re: Do people REALLY not understand why you go for two after the first TD when down 15?
Posted on 9/23/20 at 5:29 pm to Madking
Posted on 9/23/20 at 5:29 pm to Madking
quote:The reality is being down 7 is 95% a 1 possession game, so it is obvious and fair to assume it's 1 possession.
So being down 7 is a 2 possession game?
Down 8, it's less than 50% so it's obvious that the REALITY is you are more than likely going to need 2 possessions. Again, you threw out the 45% number, so what I am saying is fact, so I don't know why you'd want to argue the fact/reality that there's a more than 50% chance you'll need 2 possessions.
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Posted on 9/23/20 at 5:29 pm to shel311
That’s not what was being discussed. It was a response to the other poster who said going for 2 first gives you the information to plan ahead earlier. But of course that’s incorrect, whether you go for 2 or 1 first you receive the info to plan ahead at the same time.
Posted on 9/23/20 at 5:30 pm to Madking
I made multiple reasonable arguments that you refuted illogically. Show me where I said that
Posted on 9/23/20 at 5:31 pm to shel311
That’s what I was hoping you’d say. I didn’t mean the question as sarcasm just wanted you to elaborate on what you meant. Now you do realize those percentages conflict with claiming that going for 2 first is the smart play right?
Posted on 9/23/20 at 5:32 pm to icegator337
It’s been a explained 3 different times but I achieved time you just claim you didn’t say it or move the goalpost.
Posted on 9/23/20 at 5:32 pm to Madking
quote:The 538 link I read showed a slight increase in win probably by going for 2 when down 9, is that the one you're talking about?
The percentages have been posted multiple times in this thread. No need to get snarky and defensive,
quote:Never argued it wasn't, so you're just yelling at the sky right now, you're not telling me anything I didn't know or said. The FACT and REALITY is being down 8 means you are more likely to need 2 possessions than 1 to tie/take the lead. Feel free to argue against facts, go for it.
8 points is attainable in one possession, that’s just a simple fact
Posted on 9/23/20 at 5:32 pm to Madking
quote:
whether you go for 2 or 1 first you receive the info to plan ahead at the same time
how could this be true? In one scenario you receive the information after the first td, in the second scenario you receive the information after the second...
the information = result of the 2 pt conversion
Posted on 9/23/20 at 5:34 pm to Madking
quote:Proglem is coaches 100% do not do this.
whether you go for 2 or 1 first you receive the info to plan ahead at the same time.
You can argue with someone else that they do but I'm not arguing that with you because everyone else in the world knows that coaches dont play being down 8 like they would if they were down 9.
You can take that troll elsewhere.
Posted on 9/23/20 at 5:34 pm to icegator337
No, whether you go for 1 or 2 first you receive the info you need to plan for the rest of the game immediately after that decision plays out. It doesn’t matter whether you miss or make either you know your strategic reaction at the same time.
Posted on 9/23/20 at 5:35 pm to shel311
Lol the irony is stunning
Posted on 9/23/20 at 5:40 pm to Madking
quote:Man, this thread was going so well, get the troll out of here, get Coco back, and let's discuss this one.
No, whether you go for 1 or 2 first you receive the info you need to plan for the rest of the game immediately after that decision plays out. It doesn’t matter whether you miss or make either you know your strategic reaction at the same time.
I gave this dude an honest shot, but no more replies to him, everyone else should do the same. He's obviously trolling here and is just way out of his league.
Posted on 9/23/20 at 5:42 pm to icegator337
I’ll try to be more clear, you’ve just scored to cut it to 9 and your conversion is coming up. You have 4 possible scenarios moving forward. You decide to go for 2 and get it narrowing those choices to 1 as soon as the conversion is successful. If you kick instead and make it the same thing happens at the same time strategically. You receive the info for any choice as soon as the first conversion is complete.
This post was edited on 9/23/20 at 5:49 pm
Posted on 9/23/20 at 5:44 pm to shel311
Lol projection, dishonesty, allergic to facts. What’s sad is you’ve been treated with kid gloves by everyone despite your personal attacks yet you still behave like a jerk. You perceive miscommunication as a troll even though over and over again I’ve attempted to assure you I’m not attacking you which shows a lot about your character.
This post was edited on 9/23/20 at 6:06 pm
Posted on 9/23/20 at 5:48 pm to Roger Klarvin
because you cant go for 3 PAT
woody hayes
woody hayes
This post was edited on 9/23/20 at 5:49 pm
Posted on 9/23/20 at 9:24 pm to Madking
yeah man I'm just ganna have to agree to disagree. Multiple ppl have laid out logical arguments but you just keep saying the same thing that doesn't make any sense
Posted on 9/24/20 at 7:51 am to icegator337
Not surprised, when someone combines ignorance with pomposity they often can’t see outside of their own narrow point of view or accept data that conflicts with their ego driven narratives. They’ll project, display clear hypocrisy and proceed without any self awareness at all. No big deal I saw this coming a couple pages back when you first started fibbing but I gave you a fair shake anyway.
Posted on 9/24/20 at 8:21 am to CocomoLSU
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ETA: I wanted to add that I enjoy these arguments.
quote:
Agreed
For Coco and the monkeybutt poster(that's a funny user name lol) I am irrationally e-angry that this thread went the way of the troll, as I enjoy this debate as well.
I'm sure we'll see the same thread started again this football season, see you then.
Posted on 9/24/20 at 8:36 am to Roger Klarvin
Nothing is a given in sports. This take only works if players are robots and field conditions are the same every game.
But there’s emotions, brain farts, turnovers, injuries, weather, and refs that can alter the game in an instant.
Take the easy points first and keep the momentum going, worry about possessions later.
But there’s emotions, brain farts, turnovers, injuries, weather, and refs that can alter the game in an instant.
Take the easy points first and keep the momentum going, worry about possessions later.
This post was edited on 9/24/20 at 8:37 am
Posted on 9/24/20 at 9:57 am to Rhino5
quote:The issue is you're advocating to not begin worrying about possessions until it's potentially too late to worry about possessions.
worry about possessions later.
Posted on 9/24/20 at 10:20 am to shel311
Here's another piece that supports going for two early and has some data on occurrences. This is old though (2012).
Steve sums up where I am at with the whole thing for now.
Steve sums up where I am at with the whole thing for now.
This post was edited on 9/24/20 at 10:21 am
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