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re: Did Michael Jordan insult Cowherd's momma?
Posted on 2/18/13 at 10:54 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 2/18/13 at 10:54 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:No we aren't. you are trying to because it diverts the attention from the actual discussion.
we're talking about rasheed v. barkley/malone (who didn't win 1, let alone 6)
quote:Not if the individual can consistently and in an unprecedented manner lift his team to repeated championships.
i'm using this as an example that using team stats, even with your refined view of them, to judge individuals is stupid
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the faulty logic is using team stats to judge individuals. don't throw a temper tantrum b/c i showed how illogical it is
Temper tantrum? I simply pointed out the absurdity of your "example". You know what is happening when the ad hom attacks start. This post was edited on 2/18/13 at 10:55 am
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Posted on 2/18/13 at 10:55 am to Chad504boy
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Even Wade (not afraid of competition) was urging lebron (again) to compete in something.
when has wade ever competed in a 3 point contest or dunk contest?
why did kobe only do it once?
This post was edited on 2/18/13 at 10:55 am
Posted on 2/18/13 at 10:55 am to WDE24
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two year break from the sport in between
He played after the All Star break in '95 season and playoffs before losing to Shaq's Magic. I realize it's not super important, but I like to be accurate. Sorry.
Posted on 2/18/13 at 10:56 am to WDE24
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you are trying to because it diverts the attention from the actual discussion.
no. i'm proving your line of "logic" is not logical and doesn't belong in this discussion
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Not if the individual can consistently and in an unprecedented manner lift his team to repeated championships.
oh so now you change it after it's shown to be stupid. nice
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simply pointed out the absurdity of your "example".
my example is real life
why do you hate real life?
Posted on 2/18/13 at 10:57 am to WDE24
quote:The hypothetical does discount the title notion though.
No we aren't. you are trying to because it diverts the attention from the actual discussion.
Unless you agree that rasheed had some ability to lift his team up that Barkley and Malone did not. Even if it was one title.
Posted on 2/18/13 at 10:59 am to jturn17
quote:True. He played in 20 games, joining a .500 Bulls team and getting them to the playoffs. His rust showed and the form he returned to the next year (Leading the bulls to a 72-10 record) demonstrated his inner desire and competitiveness.
He played after the All Star break in '95 season and playoffs before losing to Shaq's Magic. I realize it's not super important, but I like to be accurate. Sorry.
Posted on 2/18/13 at 10:59 am to Chad504boy
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I don't recall Lebron ever playing Lock Down D in an All Star game.
Posted on 2/18/13 at 11:00 am to SlowFlowPro
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when has wade ever competed in a 3 point contest or dunk contest?
not sure, but i got no problem calling them both pussies if that's what it comes down to.
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why did kobe only do it once?
He obviously didn't want to further embarrass the rest of the NBA.
Posted on 2/18/13 at 11:00 am to Ford Frenzy
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Posted by Ford Frenzy MJ won 6 NBA finals and was the MVP all 6 times, that pretty much says all you need to know about him LeBron will never do anything to compare to that
You do know that MJ won his first title at 28 years old don't you? LeBron is now.....28.
Posted on 2/18/13 at 11:01 am to Chad504boy
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He obviously didn't want to further embarrass the rest of the NBA.
i'm pretty sure he missed his last dunk and won only b/c finley missed his last dunk also
WITNESS
Posted on 2/18/13 at 11:01 am to shel311
quote:Not really. The point being discussed was Jordan's multiple titles over a short time as an indication of the team's stats being a reflection of him. Singling out a year is not really a valid comparison to the point.
The hypothetical does discount the title notion though.
Unless you agree that rasheed had some ability to lift his team up that Barkley and Malone did not. Even if it was one title.
Posted on 2/18/13 at 11:02 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:How did I change it? That is what we were talking about.
oh so now you change it after it's shown to be stupid. nice
You get lost from the original debate trying to prove an abstract point about team and individual stats.
Posted on 2/18/13 at 11:04 am to WDE24
quote:so there's a sliding scale related to lifting a team to a title?
Not really. The point being discussed was Jordan's multiple titles over a short time as an indication of the team's stats being a reflection of him. Singling out a year is not really a valid comparison to the point.
Posted on 2/18/13 at 11:05 am to WDE24
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Not really. The point being discussed was Jordan's multiple titles over a short time as an indication of the team's stats being a reflection of him. Singling out a year is not really a valid comparison to the point.
I came here late, but if you want to argue Jordan's greatness, there are tons of other things to point out than his 6 championships. I agree that those are indicative of his greatness, but you have to agree that a title is not an individual stat/accomplishment. Point to his scoring titles, MVPs, first/second teams, etc. Jordan did tons of shite that was awesome.
Posted on 2/18/13 at 11:05 am to WDE24
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the form he returned to the next year (Leading the bulls to a 72-10 record) demonstrated his inner desire and competitiveness.
lol OH COME ON.
Posted on 2/18/13 at 11:05 am to WDE24
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The point being discussed was Jordan's multiple titles over a short time as an indication of the team's stats being a reflection of him.
actually it wasn't.
i said:
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team stats when judging individual players?
you said:
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Yes,quote:
individual players that make their team the best.
jordan wasn't part of that point at all, and your response is nothing like this:
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multiple titles over a short time
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Singling out a year is not really a valid comparison to the point.
if you make a statement that is a general point, then yes, it does apply to all years
again, your comment was:
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individual players that make their team the best.
that was it
Posted on 2/18/13 at 11:06 am to shel311
quote:Really? Doing it 6 times in essentially 6 years is much different than doing it once or even twice. I'm not sure why that is necessary to explain. People get too caught up in wanting to win debates that they ignore the obvious in hopes of turning someone's words against them. Pretty comical.
so there's a sliding scale related to lifting a team to a title?
This post was edited on 2/18/13 at 11:07 am
Posted on 2/18/13 at 11:06 am to jturn17
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lol OH COME ON
Looks like the narrative is being created first, then the story is being formed around it Imo.
Posted on 2/18/13 at 11:07 am to WDE24
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Doing it 6 times in essentially 6 years is much different than doing it once or even twice.
again
if pippen had been hurt in one of those years, they wouldn't have won a title in that year
how does that reflect upon jordan?
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People get too caught up in wanting to win debates that they ignore the obvious
"the obvious" is a subjective feeling you have that you keep changing the definition of
Posted on 2/18/13 at 11:07 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:Yes. In the obvious context of a debate regarding Jordan v. Lebron. Ignore the context if it makes you feel better. It was pretty clear though.
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individual players that make their team the best.
that was it
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