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re: DAT Off-season Thread: YWCHA Edition

Posted on 12/5/22 at 9:46 pm to
Posted by wahoocs
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Posted on 12/5/22 at 9:46 pm to
Well, now that Jwho is in the conversation, he’s more in tune with all things FO and prospect value

He can give us a better ballpark estimate
Posted by Jwho77
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Posted on 12/5/22 at 9:56 pm to
If you use Luis Garcia to get Murphy, you then use the Contreras money to sign another solid starter who may end up being even more in our organization's hands. It's about total allocation of resources.
Posted by texastiger38
Member since Sep 2007
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Posted on 12/5/22 at 9:59 pm to
quote:

Hunter Brown (albeit he'll be skipped from time to time)


He pitched about 120 innings this year, so he should be good for 150-160 next year
Posted by wahoocs
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Posted on 12/5/22 at 10:11 pm to
Yes, but who could we get that fits that description?

We almost have the deal done

Don’t walk away now. LOL

As you know, I’m not married to both Garcia AND Urquidy, but one must stay
Posted by LSUBoo
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Posted on 12/5/22 at 10:15 pm to
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Yes, but who could we get that fits that description?


Bassitt
Posted by Jwho77
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Posted on 12/5/22 at 10:20 pm to
Yep.

Sean Manaea, Taijuan Walker, Ross Stripling, etc.

I mean, you're getting the second best catcher in baseball cheap for 3 years when you're trying to be a dynasty.
Posted by wahoocs
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Member since Nov 2004
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Posted on 12/5/22 at 10:27 pm to
Added to the fact that you just won the WS without Garcia or Urquidy getting any significant innings

So how much money do we figure we have to work with to acquire this SP? If Contreras is gonna get 4 for 80, I don’t think we’d pay that.

Let’s say 4 for 60 or 3 for 50. What arm could we get for that?
Posted by Lsuhoohoo
Member since Sep 2007
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Posted on 12/5/22 at 10:37 pm to
I know a lot of yall like Murphy as we've discussed over the season but for my part I don't see why use the prospect capital on Murphy vs just resigning Vasquez who we've already traded a prospect for, he's well regarded defensively and been one of the better offensive catchers. But we really saw no chatter about the possibility of bringing him back.


Idk it just seems like a big prospect price to pay when we already had a decent offensive/defensive catcher and seem to have made no effort to resign him.
Posted by Lsuhoohoo
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Posted on 12/5/22 at 10:37 pm to
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This post was edited on 12/5/22 at 10:38 pm
Posted by Jwho77
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Posted on 12/5/22 at 10:42 pm to
Murphy is so much better than Vasquez that it's not even funny. He's really good in every way, including handing a pitching staff. Plus, he is just entering his prime.

quote:

Idk it just seems like a big prospect price


We need to see the price and how the money is spent to know if it is really a big prospect price in the grand scheme of things.
Posted by wahoocs
Lafayette, LA
Member since Nov 2004
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Posted on 12/5/22 at 10:49 pm to
I don’t think he and Dusty get along for obvious reasons. His value is as a primary C, and we won’t use him that way.

Murphy would just be happy to be on a winner in any capacity, and would take over in ‘24.

Back to if we give up an arm to get Murphy and have to sign one, Bassitt isn’t that guy.

He wants 4 years and we would have to give up a pick b/c the Mets made him a QO

So, let’s keep looking
Posted by Jwho77
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Posted on 12/5/22 at 10:55 pm to
Eovaldi also comes to mind.

Ross Stripling is a proven swingman who just had an excellent year starting.
This post was edited on 12/5/22 at 10:56 pm
Posted by Lsuhoohoo
Member since Sep 2007
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Posted on 12/5/22 at 10:57 pm to
quote:

Ross Stripling is a proven swingman who just had an excellent year starting.


Kind of a bitch though.
Posted by Jwho77
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Posted on 12/5/22 at 11:03 pm to
The point is, we're talking about a 5th starter here. I can understand how someone would not want to trade Garcia for Murphy but I respectfully disagree.
Posted by wahoocs
Lafayette, LA
Member since Nov 2004
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Posted on 12/5/22 at 11:39 pm to
Eovaldi is from Houston

And if he joins the staff, he doesn’t have to worry about our lineup hitting 5 HRs off of him in an inning again

We could get him cheap too, I think. I don’t think the market is really there for him.

I’ll do some looking on Stripling
This post was edited on 12/5/22 at 11:41 pm
Posted by Floating Change Up
Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 12/5/22 at 11:49 pm to
quote:

Yes, but who could we get that fits that description?


Any trade for Murphy will require an MLB now player and a couple of top-tier prospects.

If Crane green lights a trade for Murphy, you gotta believe he’s going hard at Rodon.

I don’t think he sells the future just for one player. That will make us minimally better now and much weaker later.

If he sells some future, he’s going balls deep at a repeat. Only player out there that makes sense is Rodon. Rodon has that Javier rising fastball that shite all over the Yankees and Phillies.
Posted by wahoocs
Lafayette, LA
Member since Nov 2004
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Posted on 12/5/22 at 11:51 pm to
Yes, Stripling wasn’t given a QO, so he meets the criteria

Interesting
Posted by Jwho77
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Posted on 12/6/22 at 12:00 am to
quote:

If Crane green lights a trade for Murphy, you gotta believe he’s going hard at Rodon.


If the former happened, I would not discount the possibility. Crane is enjoying his George Steinbrenner time right now.
Posted by Tiger Ryno
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Posted on 12/6/22 at 7:06 am to
I don't see murphy happening unless Oakland loves Lee. I don't see. Him being anything but overly costly.
Posted by LSUBoo
Knoxville, TN
Member since Mar 2006
104002 posts
Posted on 12/6/22 at 7:17 am to
What if Oakland insisted on Yainer and believed he could stick at C?
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