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Goldrush25
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re: Dark Side Of The Ring: The Final Days of Owen Hart
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Lol yes that was great

Idk it just seemed like there wasn’t something missing with Owen that he just couldn’t get over the top


He didn't really love the business. He liked it, but everyone around him said he was really a family man and was just biding his time until he got to a point to where he didn't have to wrestle anymore. He had a plan to get out.

Someone like Bret on the other hand was obsessed, took it very seriously and it was his entire identity.
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re: Dark Side Of The Ring: The Final Days of Owen Hart
The blood stain on the ring floor was NOT from Owen like they tried to claim. You can pull up the pay-per-view right now and clearly see that it was already there at the beginning of the show from another wrestler who had gotten cut open. The documentary showcased that part just for the added shock factor.

It was a good episode, but there were several inaccuracies with Martha’s side. Either way the WWE had no business going on with the show. Terrible decision. They also fricked up by getting cheap with the rigging crew that ultimately caused the death. The settlement of $18M was more than justified.
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It was a good episode, but there were several inaccuracies.


I feel like a lot these are going to have stuff like that for people not concerned with going look it up...except for New Jack. They could tell me anything about him and I'd believe it to be true


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re: Dark Side Of The Ring: The Final Days of Owen Hart
I’d have rather heard more about her rift with the hart family. Them stealing her shite to help the WWF’s defense team is pretty fricked up if true


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re: Dark Side Of The Ring: The Final Days of Owen Hart
Depends on who you ask.

Jerry McDevitt, the WWE lawyer, claimed that some of the paperwork received from various Harts were proposed agreements by the family not to talk to WWE in exchange for a cut of the settlement.

McDevitt is Vince’s personal slime ball but considered a pretty good lawyer. He said that the papers in question were actually proposing something illegal.


As far as which Harts were involved, the only one I know was on her side was Bret.

Diana Hart (wife of British Bulldog) was likely one of the ones who leaked stuff for multiple reasons. For one, Bulldog had just re-signed with WWE. For another, subsequent quotes from her make it clear that she never liked Martha and wanted Owen to marry someone else instead.


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re: Dark Side Of The Ring: The Final Days of Owen Hart
They really should do a whole episode on the Hart's, like they did with the Von Erichs.

There's been so much drama in the family along with those in their orbit (Pillman, Anvil, Davey Boy, Tyson Kidd).

Actually now that I typed it, just give us Pillman episode. That story is so damn interesting.


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As far as which Harts were involved, the only one I know was on her side was Bret.


Link? I saw an interview of Bret saying what she is doing is bullshitee and doesn’t agree with her.


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just give us Pillman episode. That story is so damn interesting.


Have you read Crazy Like a Fox?


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Have you read Crazy Like a Fox?


Not yet but I need to. I've listened to some of the podcasts on him, and I loved the Mark Madden story about him wanting to chain himself to the goalpost at the super bowl and using Marks press credentials to do it.

Mark "I'd lose my creditials for life and could never work again."

Pillman "Well Mark, we all gotta make sacrifices."



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I can't remember if that story was in it or not, but it's an excellent book. Not done by a relative so it doesn't have any spin to it. Vader and Scott Norton books are awesome as well.

Wrestling biographies are far more interesting to me than any other sport. Mick set the bar sky high with Have a Nice Day


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I’m talking about the court case in the late 90s / early 2000s, not the hall of fame.

Bret was supportive of her and, despite meeting with Vince in that timeframe despite their differences, Bret kept things above board and refused to say anything about the case that was pending at the time.


I’m less sure about a number of the other Harts.

Diana had made statements indicating she didn’t like Martha and wanted Owen to marry a different girl instead.

Bruce likely supported Martha for his own reasons. He’d had a lot of problems with Vince and had no chance to make any money off the WWE otherwise. (Bruce booked Stampede Wrestling for the family and his actions circa 1985 cost the family a ton of money when Vince reneged on a deal with Stu as a result. Vince probably would have fricked them anyway but Bruce’s dumb arse gave him legal cover to do so. Between that and missing out on a chance to feud with Bret in 1993-1994 in favor of Owen at Bret’s insistence, he has been trashing Vince whenever he got a chance at places like the Cauliflower Alley Club for years.)

Smith Hart was probably following the money he thought he could get from any side. Most people involved with Stampede call him a real piece of shite and even the more charitable comments like Lance Storm say he is pretty strange.


Again, this is just looking at a snapshot from about 20 years ago and not at their relationships with Martha today.

Given what I saw in the episodes between her and her kids, I wouldn’t be shocked if all three of them were heavily estranged from the rest of the family.


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re: Dark Side Of The Ring: The Final Days of Owen Hart
The Hart they really need to do the episode on is Teddy Hart (Ted Annis).

Talk about an insane bipolar piece of shite. Nothing is proven but he is connected to a missing persons case of a woman who is believed dead. She was a known business partner of his in both wrestling and pot farming IIRC.


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re: Dark Side Of The Ring: The Final Days of Owen Hart
His best rib wasn’t even intentional.

While Cornette was working the WWF 1-900 number in 1996, Owen handed him a phone and said it was Stu Hart.

The voice on the other end of the phone started complaining about the then-current storyline involving British Bulldog and Diana Hart, with complaints being made that it makes her “look like a fricking whoor.”

Cornette started screwing around and blaming the whole situation on Bruce Pritchard, another writer on the show who is known for doing a good Stu Hart impression, calling him a “sex pervert” and saying the whole storyline was his idea, then getting off the phone with him.

Bruce Pritchard walks in about 2 seconds later from the opposite direction of the phone cord Owen had used.

Cornette does a double take and asks Bruce some questions, then asks Owen who was on the phone. Owen says “Stu.”

End result? Owen accidentally got Cornette to rib himself because Owen’s own reputation as a ribber meant people would be expecting a rib and not things being serious. Said storyline ended shortly thereafter, probably because Stu called Vince McMahon the next day to complain as Cornette jokingly suggested to him when he thought it was Bruce.


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re: Dark Side Of The Ring: The Final Days of Owen Hart
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Once they realized Vince was just a scumbag, they were all for it.


How could one not realize that from the start, always seemed painfully obvious to me.


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The family has been split for a while on Vince.


Stu signed a deal with Vince around 1984 in which he shut down Stampede in exchange for X dollars per year plus jobs for specific stars in the territory such as Bret Hart (son), Jim Neidhart (son-in-law), Davey Boy Smith (son-in-law) and Dynamite Kid (Davey’s cousin and Bret’s brother-in-law).

A year later, Vince pulled out on the deal. He likely would have done so anyway but the legal cover for doing so was that Bruce Hart had started a new form of Stampede Wrestling in violation of Stu’s agreement. With Vince already having Stu’s top stars, he was happy with having a crippled competition he didn’t have to pay for.


Vince has a history of making deals with promoters and backing out. The only promoter whose deal got lived up to was Jack Tunney, who promoted wresting in Toronto, and that deal lasted from the mid-80s until the WWE business crashed in 1995 and Vince started cutting costs.

That deal lasted mainly because of Canadian business laws requiring the promotion to have a Canadian citizen on file as their promoter and Tunney was a promoter in the country’s largest market who had a lot of political connections because his family had run wrestling there for generations.


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re: Dark Side Of The Ring: The Final Days of Owen Hart
My favorite rib was when he wrestled and hid a jar of sardines under the ring. An opponent threw him out of the ring and he went under the ring and covered himself with sardines. Forgot who the opponent was but said Owen smelled.


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re: Dark Side Of The Ring: The Final Days of Owen Hart
The version I heard was that Owen hid a can of then in a turnbuckle during a match with Bret.

He grabbed them during a spot, shoved them in Bret’s mouth, and slapped on a chin lock so he couldn’t spit them out.


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re: Dark Side Of The Ring: The Final Days of Owen Hart
Owen Hart: King of Pranks

Here's a solid book on his well-known history of ribs. A good biography on his carer as well


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re: Dark Side Of The Ring: The Final Days of Owen Hart
My guide truncates the titles so I thought this was going to be about Frodo so I got disappointed when I clicked it.


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