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re: Dan Patrick on Astros "Apologies": "They made it worse."
Posted on 2/14/20 at 11:34 am to Throbinhood
Posted on 2/14/20 at 11:34 am to Throbinhood
quote:And if something comes out down the road showing they absolutely did wear the buzzers, then what?
They should have answered, "We did not wear buzzers, and that is a crazy allegation"
Good?
You're really contradicting yourself here:
quote:You already answered your own question right here. This is why they gave that answer. Those are your own words, so why are you so confused and wondering why they answered the way they did as opposed to saying point blank they did not do it?
By not saying it didn't happen, if evidence surfaces to show it did happen they don't come off as liars
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Posted on 2/14/20 at 11:36 am to Throbinhood
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I'll explain this...because it is essentially saying you plead the fifth. It comes off as guilty as hell. If they didn't do it, then they would be 100% certain there is no evidence to back the claim up. By not saying it didn't happen, if evidence surfaces to show it did happen they don't come off as liars. Just cheaters again
Agree with that but no matter how they answered it was always going to look bad.
How many times have we seen guys say 100% they didnt do something and be full of shite.
Posted on 2/14/20 at 11:36 am to Throbinhood
quote:It's pretty wild that you think if they vehemently denied the buzzers then the public would totally believe them and not at all think they're lying, cheating pieces of crap.
the public views you and a lying, cheating piece of crap
Posted on 2/14/20 at 11:37 am to KCT
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(the same MLB that hasn't handed down even a 1-game suspension to any player who was involved in this).
MLB is scared of the players union. If players get suspended you start seeing others get implicated as they speak out and it snowballs and hits possible star players and that effects MLB's bottom line. The current situation keeps this confined to 1 or 2 teams. Still nothing I know of has come from the investigation of the 2018 Red Sox as they allegedly had a video replay system set up similar to the Astros 2017.
Posted on 2/14/20 at 11:40 am to KCT
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FORMER
fricking loser
Posted on 2/14/20 at 11:41 am to HogFanfromHTown
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Just for the record, I never was a real Houston Astros fan, just a bandwagoner
FIFY
You guys can keep your heads buried in the sand, but you're only fooling yourselves if you think that 1) this isn't a serious situation, and 2) that it will all blow over by the end of April. A TON of major league players are incredibly angry over this, and so are fans.
Posted on 2/14/20 at 11:45 am to Throbinhood
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Who is y'all?
Yeah I'm not even gonna read the rest of that. I know you're full of shite just from that. I see through the bullshite.
This post was edited on 2/14/20 at 11:45 am
Posted on 2/14/20 at 11:47 am to shel311
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And if something comes out down the road showing they absolutely did wear the buzzers, then what?
In their best interest, it would have been better for flat out deny it. They are already being labeled as cheaters and liars for being on the team. To be singled out is worse as I explained previously. If evidence comes out later.... so what? If evidence comes out whether the deny it now or not will not matter. They will be crucified by the public.
You are labeled a 2 time liar? They have immunity from the situation so it's best to try and salvage some credit that Bregman and Altuve were going even above that to cheat.
Posted on 2/14/20 at 11:47 am to KCT
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KCT
Thank you for not arguing you were a real Astros fan. I'm not burying my head in the sand. I was born and raised in the city and you can suck my dick if you want me to be ashamed of being a fan. I simply don't give a frick that they cheated. Lance McCullers threw 27 curveballs to close out the 2017 NLCS and Yankees couldn't hit shite. It's not that big of an advantage. You still have to be good.
This post was edited on 2/14/20 at 11:57 am
Posted on 2/14/20 at 11:48 am to KCT
quote:What does this NOT blowing over look like?
and 2) that it will all blow over by the end of April.
Late in August, or during the season 2021, what will that look like?
Posted on 2/14/20 at 11:48 am to KCT
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Just for the record, I'm a FORMER Houston Astros fan.
Thank the Lord that you are. Don't come back now.
Posted on 2/14/20 at 11:49 am to KCT
This is honestly one of the most impactful cheating that has happened in the MLB is a long time, if not ever. It’s bigger than a ref throwing a game or players using steroids.
Anybody who turns a blind eye to this is a disgrace.
Anybody who turns a blind eye to this is a disgrace.
Posted on 2/14/20 at 11:50 am to Throbinhood
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They should have answered, "We did not wear buzzers, and that is a crazy allegation"
Good?
Oh you mean like this?
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Altuve said, “I didn’t wear a buzzer. The (apology) that I made today was about 2017. All the buzzer stuff started on a fake Twitter account. That makes me a little sad that a fake Twitter account had that much credibility. I feel bad for 2017 but I did not do the buzzer thing. Nobody on this team wore a buzzer.”
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Shortstop Carlos Correa had Altuve’s buzzer back.
“That’s a lie,” he told reporters. “Nobody wore buzzers. Nobody wore devices. That story should be killed already. We know for sure, for a fact, 100 percent, as a team … If I’m lying here, I’ll lose credibility if something like that comes out and that’s not what I want to do. I want to speak the truth. It’s just straight-up false. Nobody wore anything. In 2018, nothing. 2019, nothing. 2017, nobody wore devices either.”
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When Astros ace Justin Verlander was asked specifically about wearable devices and buzzers and if he had ever seen that happening on the Astros, the two-time Cy Young winner was adamant, saying, “Absolutely not. I’m in that locker room. I see these guys after a game, before a game, dressing and undressing and I never saw anything like that.”
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@darrenrovell
Altuve today on buzzer allegations: “That’s ridiculous.” Bregman: “Stupid.”
6:41 PM · Jan 18, 2020
Posted on 2/14/20 at 11:50 am to KCT
Love Dan Patrick. I need to start listening to his show again.
Posted on 2/14/20 at 11:51 am to CaptainPanic
quote:Certainly bigger than a player using steroids, but most definitely nowhere near as big as a ref throwing games.
It’s bigger than a ref throwing a game or players using steroids.
Posted on 2/14/20 at 11:51 am to CaptainPanic
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It’s bigger than a ref throwing a game or players using steroids.
Not even remotley. A ref blowing a game is by far a bigger issue. That's not even debatable. The steroid thing is debatable but one is illegal and the other is just against the rules, so nope. From an objective basis both of those things are more serious.
This post was edited on 2/14/20 at 11:52 am
Posted on 2/14/20 at 11:51 am to KCT
They never should have apologized. No matter how their apology went out was going to make things worse.
Posted on 2/14/20 at 11:52 am to KCT
A former fan over a scandal that didn’t involve children like PSU?
Posted on 2/14/20 at 11:53 am to shel311
How so? At least when a ref blows a game, it doesn’t have the psychological impact that this does. The amount of money & confidence lost by players who played poorly against the Atros has longer lasting effects than a ref blowing a game. People just feel cheated out of a win. Not that they really aren’t THAT good enough to compete at the professional level.
Posted on 2/14/20 at 11:54 am to KCT
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I know we have some diehard Astros fans here who have tunnel vision regarding this scandal
Definitely true.
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but obviously Dan Patrick is right about this
Kind of...but not really. They were going to have to make statements and make these apologies just to move past it. That's what this was. It had to happen. It was never going to resolve the issue. But, they needed to be put on record. And, they were. And ,they didn't really say anything substantive. Frankly that was a win.
But, this issue is going to be hammered over, and over, and over again. No Astros player or coach is ever going to be able to address the issue satisfactorily no matter what they say. These "apologies" were just a necessary evil.
The reality is that the championship is forever tainted. Only Astros fans will think it's legitimate. Until/unless the Astros win another championship, this is going to be a cloud over the organization.
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