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re: Cowherd makes his case for Lebron
Posted on 3/1/18 at 11:25 pm to lsupride87
Posted on 3/1/18 at 11:25 pm to lsupride87
James literally had no jumpshot when he entered the league
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Posted on 3/1/18 at 11:29 pm to dcrews
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LeBron is one of the greats, if not the greatest. I'm not sure why people think that's unreasonable.
Because people think MJ's the embodiment of a perfect basketball player and that no one will EVER replicate or surpass that no matter who emerges, whether it be Kobe, LeBron, Kawhi or whoever it's a really nonsensical and stubborn way to perceive things TBH
This post was edited on 3/1/18 at 11:40 pm
Posted on 3/1/18 at 11:34 pm to ThePTExperience1969
Jordan never lost with the best team. Jordan never disappeared in the finals. Jordan never ran when the going got tough. Lebron vs the Mavs was one of the most embarrassing things that I have ever seen.
Posted on 3/1/18 at 11:46 pm to lsurapper
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Jordan never lost with the best team. Jordan never disappeared in the finals. Jordan never ran when the going got tough. Lebron vs the Mavs was one of the most embarrassing things that I have ever seen.
Not sure what your angle/point is here bro, we're talking about talent and playing the game of basketball at least I assume that's the subject matter of this conversation/argument not the nuances/events of the professional game
Posted on 3/1/18 at 11:49 pm to lsurapper
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Jordan never lost with the best team. Jordan never disappeared in the finals. Jordan never ran when the going got tough.
Could make the same argument about Larry Bird and Isiah Thomas, even when their teams lost in Finals they still showed out remember game 6 of the 1988 Finals when Zeke scored 25 in the 3rd quarter on a broken ankle?
Posted on 3/1/18 at 11:50 pm to lsurapper
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Jordan never ran when the going got tough
Yeah times were really tough:
- One of the best cities in the country to call home
- One of the best coaches of all time
- Hall of famer Scottie Pippen at his side
- Best rebounder in the league
- Best Euro in the league
- Solid role players
- Won his last 3 titles during a time when two expanion teams has just entered the league and watered it down
But yeah, he had it SOOOOOO tough. Get the hell out of here with that bull shite
Posted on 3/1/18 at 11:54 pm to lsurapper
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Jordan never lost with the best team. Jordan never disappeared in the finals. Jordan never ran when the going got tough. Lebron vs the Mavs was one of the most embarrassing things that I have ever seen.
Even in spite of all that, you can't look at LeBron James and his body of work and argue he's not one of the 3 greatest players to ever play the sport of basketball if not the very greatest, like it would be disingenuous FASHO
Posted on 3/2/18 at 12:01 am to sms151t
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Nope. You are wrong.
Incorrect. The decision has already been made. I was just recapping for folks.
You swap MJ for James on those Cleveland teams they aren't doing any better in the Finals. You know this.
Posted on 3/2/18 at 12:24 am to dcrews
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One of the best cities in the country to call home
Yeah no one wants to live in Miami
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One of the best coaches of all time
Well lebron ahnd picks his coaches so he can’t really cry about that can he? Also who was Phil Jackson before MJ?
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Hall of famer Scottie Pippen at his side
Must be really hard facing down teams with Dwayne Wade, Chris Bosh, Ray Allen, Kylie Irving, and Kevin Love. Those scrubs aren’t going anywhere.
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Best rebounder in the league
Only for the second 3peat. He had to play against him for the first one.
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Best Euro in the league
Ok... we have more better euros now.
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Solid role players
Ray Allen, Chris Anderson, Shane Battier, Mike Miller, Norris Cole, Mario Chalmers and Rishard Lewis were pretty fricking Solid
So we’re
Barajas, Smith, Thompson, Frye, Dellavadova, Jefferson and Shumpert
Lebron’s most Impressive Run was 2007 when he actually carried a bunch of bums. He hasn’t had a bad team since the decision. Don’t act like he doesn’t have at least 1 other future HOF caliber player and 1 other perineal all star on his team at all times, and a bevy of veteran role players.
Posted on 3/2/18 at 6:44 am to RedRifle
You guys are forgetting that Jordan barely made the college team.
Posted on 3/2/18 at 6:58 am to VADawg
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A better one would be that besides he and Wilt, no one else back then was a genetic freak like a lot of guys are now
What qualifies as a genetic freak? If you mean height, you would be surprised at the data.
https://www.ign.com/boards/threads/interesting-fact-the-players-of-the-60s-were-just-as-tall-as-today
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Forward/Centers (Let's call them the Power Forwards):?
Tom Heinsohn F-C 6-7?
Joe Ruklick F-C 6-9?
Joe Graboski F-C 6-7?
Red Kerr C-F 6-9?
Dolph Schayes F-C 6-7?
C. Buckner F-C 6-9?
Johnny Green F-C 6-5?
Phil Jordon C-F 6-10?
Willie Naulls F-C 6-6?
Howie Jolliff F-C 6-7?
Jim Krebs C-F 6-8?
Rudy LaRusso F-C 6-7?
Wayne Embry C-F 6-8?
Hub Reed C-F 6-9?
Bob Ferry C-F 6-8?
Ray Scott F-C 6-9?
Larry Foust C-F 6-9?
Clyde Lovellette C-F 6-9?
Bob Pettit F-C 6-9?
W. Sauldsberry F-C 6-7?
Archie Dees F-C 6-8?
Joe Graboski F-C 6-7?
Dave Piontek F-C 6-6?
Charlie Tyra C-F 6-8?
1961-62 Season, 24 active, avg = 6-7.83"?
1989-2011 NBA draft (sample size avail, 127) avg = 6-7.95"?
(The power forwards average height that season is negligible in comparison with all modern power forwards from 1989-present... less than 1/8th of an inch)?
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Players strictly listed as Centers:?
Bill Russell C 6-9 (1/2)?
Wilt Chamberlain C 7-1 (1/16)?
Swede Halbrook C 7-3?
Darrall Imhoff C 6-10?
Ray Felix C 6-11?
Wayne Yates C 6-8?
Bevo Nordmann C 6-10?
Walter Dukes C 7-0?
Walt Bellamy C 6-11?
1961-1962 Season, 9 active, avg = 6-11.06" (6-10.81" excluding Wilt)?
1989-2011 NBA draft (sample size avail, 67) avg = 6-10.44"?
(Centers of that season averaged over 1/4 of an inch taller than modern centers, and that is if we exclude Wilt - the difference is more than 1/2 an inch if we included him)?
?
Now you may be able to make the case for generally more athletic guys now, though I don't know how that can be easily quantified, it does seem so based on the dreaded eye test.
The real case to be made is that there were fewer teams so the playoffs were shorter therefore less grueling. The flip side of that argument is the player talent was more concentrated on fewer teams.
In reality, comparing player who are/were contemporaries is very difficult, much less from different eras. Championships as a benchmark for individual players in a team sport is silly.
Posted on 3/2/18 at 7:01 am to lsurapper
quote:Jordan literally quit basketball at one point when the going got tough
Jordan never ran when the going got tough.
Posted on 3/2/18 at 7:04 am to cubsfan5150
quote:Thats my entire point
You can't apply that argument to every situation. Again, you aren't an idiot and you know that you can't.
However, in this instance, you will act like you can apply it just to ensure that your point wins.
You just admitted you like to move the goal posts 
You like to count age when it helps you and years in the league when it helps you. I mean I can't beleive you actually admitted it
Posted on 3/2/18 at 7:21 am to lsupride87
Lebron HOF teammates: Wade, Bosh, Allen, Kyrie
Jordan: Pippen, Rodman
Jordan: Pippen, Rodman
Posted on 3/2/18 at 7:25 am to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
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1978-79 Lakers finished 47-35 fool. Before Magic.
Stop acting like Magic inherited some juggernaught.
And Magic played Center to win the title. Winning MVP of the Finals.
For a man-child, LeBron was a collosal let-down compared to those that came before him. He was not what was promised. Chosen One? Chosen to lose all the time in the playoffs?
This post can’t be real. Chosen to lose all the time in the playoffs......been to like 7 straight finals lol
Posted on 3/2/18 at 7:51 am to Melvin
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Call me when he did it when black people were allowed to play
But Russell was black. And was allowed to play....
Posted on 3/2/18 at 7:59 am to lsurapper
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Jordan never disappeared in the finals
He also only made it to the finals 6 out of the 15 years he was in the league.
Posted on 3/2/18 at 8:07 am to lsurapper
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Allen
Disingenuous, he obviously wasn't all of fame caliber when he played with LeBron.
Lebron played with 2 HOF players for 4 years in Miami, and one for 3 years in Cleveland.
Posted on 3/2/18 at 8:19 am to sms151t
quote:Wait, what?
Jordan had something LeBron never has had
Pretty sure Lebron's long range 2pt% is better than Kobe's in his career, or certainly close to it.
There was a 3-4 year stretch where I believe Dirk was the only person with a higher FG% on long 2s than Lebron. Just a quick check, in 2012-2013, Lebron shot 44.4% from 16 ft to the 3 point line.
Saying Lebron never had a midrange jumper is just 100% wrong.
Posted on 3/2/18 at 8:23 am to SammyTiger
quote:Wait, so Lebron is bashed for running to another team, another poster says MJ was drafted to Chicago, and your reply is that no one wants to live in Miami? Uhh, what?
Yeah no one wants to live in Miami
quote:How much winning did MJ do before Phil?
Also who was Phil Jackson before MJ?
quote:Bruh, Norris Cole, Birdman, yikes!
Ray Allen, Chris Anderson, Shane Battier, Mike Miller, Norris Cole, Mario Chalmers and Rishard Lewis were pretty fricking Solid
quote:Right, and he's won 3 titles in 7 seasons since then, so...
Lebron’s most Impressive Run was 2007 when he actually carried a bunch of bums. He hasn’t had a bad team since the decision.
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