re: Comparing Clark’s stats to the other 8 guards chosen for the Olympic team

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Tiger Woods is not Tiger Woods anymore but every frickin' golf tournament wants him because he draws eyeballs. Every guy on the planet is saying, "ladies what are you doing"? And their response is " she's not one of the 12 best players right now and we want the best team". Really? No, you don't want her on the team because the players you've chosen don't want her on the team and Dawn Staley doesn't want her on the team out of petty irrational jealousy.

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Imagine doing everything in your power to keep the most popular face (player, coach, executive, etc.) of your sport from getting the spotlight because you’re jealous, hateful, and spiteful lol

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Missed it But my main point stands. As far back as ESPN has stats, there's literally only been 3 other women to average over 4 turnovers per game. Alyssa Thomas this year at 4.1 Angel McCoughtry at 4.1 in 2013 And Becky Hammon at 4.1 in 2007 Not only she is dead last over the past 17 seasons but by a very wide margin at 5.6 per game. She had 8 for her last game so its not like she's trending up. You can't win with that

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Lebron James has the most turnovers in NBA history

Every male commentary out there is screaming at this 80% black female Olympic Committee.... "A rising tide lifts all boats".

Sometimes you just can't talk sense into women. Every successful business man is calling them dummies.

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Now do “per game” you absolute imbecile You will get either Russ or Trae young depending on your minimum game requirement

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Absolute imbecile haha, take it easy buddy

It’s 3.5 which is very high, when you handle the ball alot and are the focus offensively on a team it comes with the territory. Now put someone like Clark on a poor team like Indiana and you would expect a high turnover average. It definitely needs to be better but to say that is why she shouldn’t be on the team makes you look stupid.. Sounds like you are way too sensitive about this.

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It’s 3.5 which is very high, when you handle the ball alot and are the focus offensively on a team it comes with the territory. Now put someone like Clark on a poor team like Indiana and you would expect a high turnover average. It definitely needs to be better but to say that is why she shouldn’t be on the team makes you look stupid

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High usage guards will have higher turnovers, yes. But the other guards on the roster are all high usage with a lot less turnovers. That's a very valid reasoning for not making the competitive 12 man roster.

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just have an issue when you try and pretend that Caitlin was just clearly snubbed and it's because of this grand conspiracy.

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So just for the record, you DONT think there was any reason beyond on court play for not having her on the team?

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Jewell Lloyd and Kelsey Plum have pretty similar numbers to Caitlin.

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Ok. Let’s compare Clark and Loyd then:

POINTS - Loyd
Loyd - 1st
Clark - 5th
Can argue that this is easier when you have a better team around you. Seattle is a much better team than Indiana. 7-4 with a top 3 defense in the WNBA. But it goes to Loyd.

ASSISTS - Clark: pretty important for a guard, Clark at the top, Loyd at the bottom. Almost double
Clark - 2 (6.3)
Loyd - 6 (3.7)

FG % - Clark: while clark is middle of the pack, Loyd is last, not a good stat to be last in
Clark - 4th
Loyd - Last

REB - Loyd: Loyd has this one but I wouldn’t be too concerned as it’s not a crucial stat for guard play, and even so, it’s 1 v 3 so not a huge gap
Loyd - 1
Clark - 3

STEAL - tied

BLOCK - Clark: again we see a stat where Clark is at the top and Loyd is at the bottom with a whopping 0.0 per game
Clark - 2
Loyd - last

TO - Loyd
Loyd - 5
Clark - last
Sure. Clarks makes a lot of turnovers. Clark needs to work on this. How much of that is playing with dogshit teammates? How much of that is volume?You don’t think that number comes down if she’s surrounded by elite players on team USA?

Here’s the NBA turnover leaders for the season.

Trae Young 4.4
Doncic
Wembanyama
Lebron
Giannis
Cunnigham
Henderson
Sabonis
Durant
Banchero
Anthony Edwards
Jokic
KAT
Steph
Zion

Now here’s the big ones.

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Where Caitlin is winning with slight better efficiency they are winning with much better control of the ball.

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TRUE% - Clark by a lot
Clark - tied for first
Loyd - last

EFFECTIVE% - Clark by a lot
Clark - 2
Loyd - last

“Slightly better” ? lol. Clark is 1 or 2 while Loyd is last in both. She destroys Loyd in these two pretty big ones.

“Much better control of the ball” ? Ok sure. Clark struggles with turnovers as we’ve said. But that’s some pretty big names from the NBA that all appear to struggle with turnovers.

So in arguably the most important factors for guard play (efficiently scoring points for your team, assisting your teammates scoring for your team, and turnovers) Clark is at the top while Loyd is at the bottom, except for turnovers, where Loyd is in the middle and Clark is at the bottom. But for some reason dominant efficient scoring and assist numbers all get tossed out because…..turnovers.

Speaking of turnovers. Do you know who led team USA last Olympics in turnover? Jewell Loyd did with 3 per game. Griner was behind her at 2. So that big important factor that you keep beating your drum about, Loyd is middle if the pack and had a big problem with it last Olympics.

And basketball isn’t all about shooting and scoring.

DRTG - Clark
Clark - 1
Loyd - 6

Once again, Clark is at the top and loyd is at the bottom.

Sure all the other players deserved it over Clark. But there’s no argument you can make that Clark shouldnt have been selected over Loyd.

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Can argue that this is easier when you have a better team around you. Seattle is a much better team than Indiana. 7-4 with a top 3 defense in the WNBA. But it goes to Loyd.

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Not how it goes. It's easier to score more on a bad team, because you don't have to worry about other players getting up shots.

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ASSISTS - Clark: pretty important for a guard, Clark at the top, Loyd at the bottom. Almost double
Clark - 2 (6.3)
Loyd - 6 (3.7)

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This is true. But that's because she is not the point guard for her team. Her role is scoring. But in any case, I'll give you that. Caitlyn is a better passer.

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TO - Loyd
Loyd - 5
Clark - last
Sure. Clarks makes a lot of turnovers. Clark needs to work on this. How much of that is playing with dogshit teammates? How much of that is volume?You don’t think that number comes down if she’s surrounded by elite players on team USA?

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This is ultimately my main thing. The turnovers are a big difference. I don't accept that it's all her teammates fault. That is deflecting responsibility. She is the one turning the ball over, not her teammates. She has struggled to adjust to pro defenses. Even with Caitlin's added assist numbers, she is averaging 1.1 assist/turnover ratio, compared to Lloyd's 1.5, so Lloyd is winning there.
Do I think Caitlin's numbers will get better with time? Absolutely. But her issue is that she was just playing college basketball 2 months ago. She hasn't had the time to adjust to WNBA just yet. She hasn't developed that team chemistry yet. I do think she will adjust, absolutely. But as for right now, she is not there yet. This olympic team was based on where the players are right now, not where they will be in the future.

As for the NBA players, we recognize that Luka dominates the stat sheet in so many other areas. His turnovers aren't as bad, especially when you see that he dominates across the board in so many areas. You're not seriously grouping guys like Scoot Henderson and Cade Cunningham with KD and Luka are you? We look at things holistically. Assist/turnover ratio is a good way to evaluate the turnover issue.

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Do you know who led team USA last Olympics in turnover? Jewell Loyd did with 3 per game

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3 is a big big difference from 5.6

Look, I think both players have legit arguments. I would have zero problem if Caitlin made the team over Jewell. But when we look at the fact that Jewell is a multi-champion, was the scoring leader last year. And she has a better assist/turnover ratio than Caitlin, despite passing a lot less. I don't think it's this huge snub that you are making it out to be. But in any case, I will concede that their cases are close.

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basketball isn’t all about shooting and scoring.

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Usually the team with the most points win

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Just face it, Clark isn’t diverse enough for women’s basketball.

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That’s not it. Kelsey Plum and Sabrina Ionescu are both straight white women and they get along in that league just fine. It’s a jealousy over attention issue.