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re: Colin Cowherd: The greatest coach in the history of football…Jim Harbaugh.
Posted on 9/18/25 at 4:33 pm to CatfishJohn
Posted on 9/18/25 at 4:33 pm to CatfishJohn
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He's won one title, and now has a show cause because he cheated to win it.
But Saban didn’t cheat to win tho
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Posted on 9/18/25 at 4:39 pm to SaintLSU
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But Saban didn’t cheat to win tho
Oh my sweet summer child
Posted on 9/18/25 at 4:51 pm to CatfishJohn
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There are lots of arguments for who should be in the top 3/5, but it's not outlandish to say Harbaugh is in that conversation.
Agreed.
I think the best argument for Harbaugh (and I am not necessarily saying he’s the GOAT, just arguing for him) is that there weren’t really any favorable circumstances that led to his success. He’s just gone places and won. He doesn’t owe any of his success to what a predecessor built or an all-time great player or a unique trade situation or some great coordinator.
If you had to hand a coach Central High School, or Arizona State, or the Atlanta Falcons (or whoever) and say, “Hey, go build a winner,” he would be a damn good choice.
Posted on 9/18/25 at 5:05 pm to SPEEDY
He needs to win a Superbowl. Winning ONE natty at Michigan, one of the blue bloods of college football, doesn't put you in the GOAT conversation. Most of the recruiting you did involved "come to this school because it's Michigan."
Posted on 9/19/25 at 12:27 am to SPEEDY
People forget Michigan canceling games under the guise of covid during the 2020 when they sucked and if it was a regular season he could have gotten fired...
Posted on 9/19/25 at 6:35 am to SPEEDY
Hot Take.
Posted on 9/19/25 at 6:50 am to Cosmo
quote:OJ was the best husband
Saban Dont care that he failed in NFL
Don’t care about that murder thing
Posted on 9/19/25 at 7:36 am to Globetrotter747
You forget JJ had Miami playing for a national championship in 86.
Lost by one point to Notre Dame in season. ND went undefeated as did another team so no rematch.
JJs teams were superior to Schnellenbergers and had enough talent for Erickson to win his first year.
Lost by one point to Notre Dame in season. ND went undefeated as did another team so no rematch.
JJs teams were superior to Schnellenbergers and had enough talent for Erickson to win his first year.
Posted on 9/19/25 at 8:27 am to CatfishJohn
I’d say it’s not outlandish to put him as a top 15-20 HC for sure.
Top 5 seems silly. Dude won 1 championship in college. And lost in the superbowl. You Gota have trophies on the shelf to be mentioned with the greats
Top 5 seems silly. Dude won 1 championship in college. And lost in the superbowl. You Gota have trophies on the shelf to be mentioned with the greats
Posted on 9/19/25 at 9:27 am to prplhze2000
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You forget JJ had Miami playing for a national championship in 86.
Actually 1985 when they lost to UT 35-7 in the Sugar Bowl as a 7 point favorite. They win that game they’re national champions.
The 1986 team had no business losing to Penn State in the Fiesta Bowl. It was Johnson’s best team.
That’s two national titles Johnson should have won with players largely recruited by Schnellenberger.
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Lost by one point to Notre Dame in season. ND went undefeated as did another team so no rematch.
Should have won it that year too.
The only championship Johnson won was 1987 and that was against OU in the Orange Bowl with Holieway injured.
Johnson should have claimed more than one national title at Miami.
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JJs teams were superior to Schnellenbergers and had enough talent for Erickson to win his first year.
Johnson’s teams were better as Miami became more established but Schnellenberger laid the foundation all the way to a national title. No one did that for Harbaugh.
If Schnellenberger hadn’t left Miami when he did it’s quite possible Johnson doesn’t have a national title or a Super Bowl.
I’m not knocking Johnson here. He was a hell of a coach. However, he had a unique path with the Miami job opening up and his Arkansas ties to Jerry Jones when he bought the Cowboys. Those aren’t everyday circumstances.
There’s often a little bit of musical chairs luck to being a really successful coach. Getting the right job at the right time (which is beyond a coach’s control) makes a difference.
At the end of the day, the players on the field are a hell of a lot more important than the coaches.
Posted on 9/19/25 at 10:37 am to SPEEDY
Joe Gibbs...won three Super Bowls with three different QBs, none of which are in the Hall of Fame. Made it to another Super Bowl and lost. There is no other coach who has come close to that.
Never mind....did not see the count college part. So it is Jimmy Johnson.
Never mind....did not see the count college part. So it is Jimmy Johnson.
This post was edited on 9/19/25 at 10:44 am
Posted on 9/19/25 at 2:08 pm to ned nederlander
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Took over 5-7 Michigan team, immediately won 10 games and eventually won a title.
People have really forgotten that Harbaugh was on the hot seat. Right up until they started stealing signals and suddenly started winning.
Harbaugh bet on the toothless NCAA not doing anything about it, and he was right. Saved his legacy at Michigan. People even act like the sign stealing wasnt big deal, or a big part of what helped them turn things around.
Posted on 9/19/25 at 3:02 pm to SPEEDY
Posted on 9/19/25 at 4:52 pm to Globetrotter747
That team would have still beaten Oklahoma. Maybe you forgot what happened in the late 80s when OU and Nebraska started playing Miami and FSU in bowl games.
What you are ignoring is that even though he didn't win two more titles, he still had them pretty damn close to the title. That is a really high level of performance. Also look how many #1 teams they did not beat but destroyed. I don't think I've seen a program demolish top ranked teams as Miami did in the 80's and early 90s.
What you are ignoring is that even though he didn't win two more titles, he still had them pretty damn close to the title. That is a really high level of performance. Also look how many #1 teams they did not beat but destroyed. I don't think I've seen a program demolish top ranked teams as Miami did in the 80's and early 90s.
Posted on 9/19/25 at 5:49 pm to SPEEDY
Cheating…
Posted on 9/19/25 at 8:05 pm to SaintLSU
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But Saban didn’t cheat to win tho
Posted on 9/19/25 at 8:35 pm to prplhze2000
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That team would have still beaten Oklahoma.
Maybe or maybe not. I would like to have seen them play OU with a healthy Holieway at a neutral site.
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Maybe you forgot what happened in the late 80s when OU and Nebraska started playing Miami and FSU in bowl games.
Not at all.
It’s one of the reasons I think 1995 Nebraska is overrated. They played a hell of a lot more physical defenses in previous seasons.
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What you are ignoring is that even though he didn't win two more titles, he still had them pretty damn close to the title. That is a really high level of performance.
Yes, but struggled to close the deal.
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Also look how many #1 teams they did not beat but destroyed. I
Under Johnson, they beat #1 Auburn 20-18 in 1984, #1 OU 28-16 in 1986, #1 OU 20-14 in 1987, and #1 FSU 31-0 in 1988.
Only FSU was “destroyed.” Three of those games were in Miami and the other was a neutral site.
Miami also lost as the #1 team in 1986 and 1988, and they also lost three straight bowl games (as the favorite every time) from 1984-1986 that weren’t at the Orange Bowl.
Perhaps it’s fair to say Miami struggled in big games outside the old Orange Bowl stadium. It’s a nice advantage when the most consequential bowl game of the era is played in your home stadium.
It wouldn’t have hurt Oklahoma and Nebraska’s chances against Miami and FSU if they could have played some of those bowl games in a freezing arse cold midwestern city.
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I don't think I've seen a program demolish top ranked teams as Miami did in the 80's and early 90s.
Under Erickson, they beat #1 Notre Dame 27-10 and #1 FSU 17-16.
They also lost as the #1 team to BYU in 1990 and were “destroyed” as the #1 by Bama 34-13 in 1992.
But none of this really matters because Johnson was still handed a national championship program by Howard Schnellenberger that had a lot of good young talent. Johnson didn’t recruit Vinny Testaverde, Alonzo Highsmith, Jerome Brown, and others. That’s three top ten picks gifted to Johnson that he should have won two national titles with if they hadn’t lost as 8 and 6.5 pt. favorites in bowl games.
Johnson didn’t build the program. Schnellenberger did.
This post was edited on 9/20/25 at 10:18 am
Posted on 9/19/25 at 9:16 pm to SPEEDY
Cowherd just says shite to say it.
Posted on 9/19/25 at 10:18 pm to SPEEDY
Paul Brown doesn’t exist, Cowherd?
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