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re: Coaches Poll history - blantant homerism, conference nepotism and odd voting
Posted on 8/16/12 at 2:58 pm to TK421
Posted on 8/16/12 at 2:58 pm to TK421
I know this isn't coaches, but all the votes are awful. I think Herby had OSU behind Arkansas in his final poll...after the Sugar Bowl
Edit: Nope he just dropped OSU 3 spots from 6 to 9 after that win
Edit: Nope he just dropped OSU 3 spots from 6 to 9 after that win
This post was edited on 8/16/12 at 3:01 pm
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Posted on 8/16/12 at 3:00 pm to Zamoro10
Posted on 8/16/12 at 3:01 pm to stapuffmarshy
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Nick Saban - Voted Okie State 5th
False.
Posted on 8/16/12 at 3:02 pm to TK421
quote:
False
who doesn't? Notre Dame? yeah they're gonna matter
enough teams do that FCS games should be treated as exhibitions and not count
Posted on 8/16/12 at 3:02 pm to Buckeye06
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I know this isn't coaches, but all the votes are awful. I think Herby had OSU behind Arkansas in his final poll...after the Sugar Bowl
Edit: Nope he just dropped OSU 3 spots from 6 to 9 after that win
shows the media is zero percent better
in some cases worse
Posted on 8/16/12 at 3:03 pm to Zamoro10
I also like how you left out the pansy 12 coaches, Im sure none of them ever voted a pansy 12 school where it shouldn't be correct?
Posted on 8/16/12 at 3:03 pm to Baloo
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The problem with the poll is not the inherent bias, it's that we have a system that values such a poll.
Truth. Exactly my point in listing the absurdities.
I don't envision the new committee will be something everyone likes but at the very least it should be full of people who actually watch the games and don't have a vested interest. Who knows?
Posted on 8/16/12 at 3:04 pm to TigerBait2008
Also, the SEC is the dominant conference just:
DWI
DWI
Posted on 8/16/12 at 3:07 pm to Zamoro10
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I don't envision the new committee will be something everyone likes but at the very least it should be full of people who actually watch the games and don't have a vested interest. Who knows?
Why does anyone think a committee will be better. Your still dealing with people, which means bias. Everyone has it whether they want to admit it or not. The BCS formula would be better than a committee IMO. I still say they need to re-add the SOS element to the BCS. Then top 4 make it.
Posted on 8/16/12 at 3:07 pm to Zamoro10
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I don't envision the new committee will be something everyone likes but at the very least it should be full of people who actually watch the games and don't have a vested interest. Who knows?
Well, if you look at the history of NCAA selection committees in other sports, they do a pretty good job. If the football committee behaves like the hoops or lacrosse committee, it will take the job seriously, though it will pathologically hate mid-majors.
Posted on 8/16/12 at 3:10 pm to Baloo
quote:whatever's best for the sport
though it will pathologically hate mid-majors.
Posted on 8/16/12 at 3:11 pm to Tiger Live2
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Why does anyone think a committee will be better. Your still dealing with people, which means bias. Everyone has it whether they want to admit it or not. The BCS formula would be better than a committee IMO.
Exactly. At least with a bigger sample size (coaches poll + media / Harris poll + computers) you actually take out some of the bias (or to be more accurate cancel out bias with bias because of the hundreds of inputs).
With a small selection committee who have their own bias, you will actually amplify the bias problem due to the small amount of data inputs.
I hate it.
Posted on 8/16/12 at 3:11 pm to Baloo
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If the football committee behaves like the hoops or lacrosse committee, it will take the job seriously, though it will pathologically hate mid-majors.
Right...a group, in a professional setting using and arguing results means people are less likely to vote in an absurd homerism way like you can get away with in secret.
There will always be some form of bias...but there's a big difference between bias and vested interest when coaches are voting their team high in the poll and all their opponents high as well.
Posted on 8/16/12 at 3:12 pm to Baloo
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Well, if you look at the history of NCAA selection committees in other sports, they do a pretty good job. If the football committee behaves like the hoops or lacrosse committee, it will take the job seriously, though it will pathologically hate mid-majors.
In all fairness. I think it is a little easier in baseball and basketball. Of course every year there are teams that are upset at being left out, but for the most it doesn't matter, because everyone knows those team have basically no shot of winning it all. When only 4 teams get in. You can easily make a case where several more teams could win it all.
Posted on 8/16/12 at 3:20 pm to Tiger Live2
True, but look at the tourney seeding in the last 25 years. A 1 or 2 seed (top 8 team) has won something like 20 of the last 25 tournaments, and 24 of 25 have been won by a top 3 seed (arguably only top 10 teams, not bad for sorting through 330 teams or so). The one outlier was a 4-seed, Arizona in 1997.
The tournament committee has properly nailed seeding.
The tournament committee has properly nailed seeding.
Posted on 8/16/12 at 3:24 pm to elposter
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With a small selection committee who have their own bias, you will actually amplify the bias problem due to the small amount of data inputs.
This would be true if selection committee was just a smaller group of current coaches voting, which it is not.
Posted on 8/16/12 at 3:28 pm to Baloo
They do a pretty good job on seeding for the top teams. You get below the 3 seed and its more iffy. And in baseball remember just a few years ago Fresno St. won it all as a regional 4 seed.
But yea, for the most part you know who the 8-12 best teams are.
Also as a ?? what seed was UCONN when they won just a couple years ago. Were they a top 3? I know they were something like 8 or 9 seed in the Big East tourny
But yea, for the most part you know who the 8-12 best teams are.
Also as a ?? what seed was UCONN when they won just a couple years ago. Were they a top 3? I know they were something like 8 or 9 seed in the Big East tourny
Posted on 8/16/12 at 3:29 pm to ToesOnTheNose213
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This would be true if selection committee was just a smaller group of current coaches voting, which it is not.
So you lose bias when you stop coaching? When you deal with people, you deal with bias. It's as unavoidable as breathing
Posted on 8/16/12 at 3:32 pm to ToesOnTheNose213
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This would be true if selection committee was just a smaller group of current coaches voting, which it is not.
What I am saying is with the current system you have coaches (biased), media and others (Harris) biased, and computers (a different kind of bias in creating the programs, but the outcomes are not really biased in the true sense of the word). All of these hundreds of conflicting biased inputs will actually reduce the overall bias of the outcome.
With the selection committee, they will still have people with bias (if they are connected enough to college football to make it on the committee they absolutely will have bias) just fewer of them. I don't see how this is a better. It sounds worse. They may individually have less bias than some coaches with obvious vested interests, but I do not think they will have less cumulative bias than the several hundreds of combined "votes" from coaches, media / others, and computers.
This post was edited on 8/16/12 at 3:34 pm
Posted on 8/16/12 at 3:35 pm to elposter
quote:voted them 4th
Nick Saban - Voted Okie State 5th False.
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