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re: Catholic High sanctioned by LHSAA for recruiting
Posted on 6/24/21 at 9:14 pm to hubertcumberdale
Posted on 6/24/21 at 9:14 pm to hubertcumberdale
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Care to list one source? I understand you probably went there and really liked it, but Niche ranks it fourth best private school in Baton Rouge behind, you guessed it, EHS and Dunham. 1. Episcopal 2. Dunham 3. SJA 4. CHS 5. BR International School 2021 Best Private High Schools in the Baton Rouge Area
Niche? When I looked up the site this is what I found:
“ A professional in schools rankings says the (Niche) group's methodology is flawed…”. LINK
What I do know is a simple Google search shows:
Catholic had 7 National Merit Semi-finalists and 9 Commended students this year. Dunham had 3 Commended Students.
Catholic has been named a Presidential Blue Ribbon school 6 times. Dunham has never been recognized.
Maybe Niche.com doesn’t look at skins on the wall?
This post was edited on 6/24/21 at 9:49 pm
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Posted on 6/24/21 at 9:15 pm to teamtiger
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Catholic has been named a Presidential Blue Ribbon school 5 times
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Posted on 6/24/21 at 9:20 pm to teamtiger
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Catholic had 7 National Merit Semi-finalists and 9 Commended students this year. Dunham had 3 Commended Students.
Dunham enrolls 282 kids in high school
CHS has 1,114 kids enrolled in high school
So Dunham produces roughly 1:94 Commended Students where CHS has 1:124
In 2019 CHS has 6 National Merrit Semifinalists where Dunham had 1.
Point being CHS has way more kids so those numbers in any given year can be misleading
This post was edited on 6/24/21 at 9:35 pm
Posted on 6/24/21 at 9:38 pm to hubertcumberdale
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Dunham enrolls 282 kids in high school
CHS has 1,114 kids enrolled in high school
So Dunham produces roughly 1:94 Commended Students where CHS has 1:124
Do they even teach evolution in science class at Dunham? Or in history class?
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Point being CHS has way more kids so those numbers in any given year can be misleading
Smarter parents send their kids to better schools. Dunham would kill for that kind of enrollment.
Dunham is a transfer school for kids unhappy in their current private high school.
This post was edited on 6/24/21 at 9:40 pm
Posted on 6/24/21 at 9:41 pm to hubertcumberdale
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In 2019 CHS has 6 National Merrit Semifinalists where Dunham had 1
You forgot to mention that in 2020 and 2021 Dunham had zero. But I appreciate you mixing in results across years to prove your point. Lol
This post was edited on 6/24/21 at 9:42 pm
Posted on 6/24/21 at 10:41 pm to ThanosIsADemocrat
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Smarter parents send their kids to better schools. Dunham would kill for that kind of enrollment.
Episcopal enrolls 400 in their high school, not sure what your point is here
Posted on 6/24/21 at 10:51 pm to hubertcumberdale
That Dunham isn’t the academic powerhouse you’re pretending it to be.
Posted on 6/24/21 at 11:53 pm to ThanosIsADemocrat
I have explained the differences between illegal and legal recruiting for private schools for years on here. not doing it again
the school admin and the diocese handles tuition aid programs, not coaches. a coach can endorse a kid to the admissions office but a coach has no control over tuition aid, (except at shaw) the program is hinged on tax returns not word of mouth
the underlying factor that most ignore is these kids went through the admissions process and enrolled at catholic voluntarily, they wanted to be there. they are not drafted, they arent chosen, they are offered an opportunity thst they accepted
if the violations were improper contact, then that is inexcusable. faculty and staff members know the rules and they are easy to follow. you use intermediaries like parents and alums to talk to people and funnel them through the official channels in the admissions office. if you are on staff you never talk to parents or kids directly outside of the proper roles and channels of admissions.
the school admin and the diocese handles tuition aid programs, not coaches. a coach can endorse a kid to the admissions office but a coach has no control over tuition aid, (except at shaw) the program is hinged on tax returns not word of mouth
the underlying factor that most ignore is these kids went through the admissions process and enrolled at catholic voluntarily, they wanted to be there. they are not drafted, they arent chosen, they are offered an opportunity thst they accepted
if the violations were improper contact, then that is inexcusable. faculty and staff members know the rules and they are easy to follow. you use intermediaries like parents and alums to talk to people and funnel them through the official channels in the admissions office. if you are on staff you never talk to parents or kids directly outside of the proper roles and channels of admissions.
Posted on 6/25/21 at 7:16 am to RGJ18
quote:The report that the school has includes all of the evidence. Maybe you should speak with someone in the loop that has actually seen it. Again the LHSAA doesn't yank the most trophies it has ever taken back from a school for simply "scouting middle school and youth games and having a plan to do so". If they weren't guilty why on earth would they have given up the titles and tarnished their record and why would every involved coach no longer be there. For being such a loyal Bear, I am surprised you don't know the whole story.
Innocent until proven guilty. If there was pay for play (there wasn’t) I’m waiting on the evidence.
Posted on 6/25/21 at 7:19 am to RGJ18
quote:oh good grief charlie brown.
They didn’t admit guilt, they accepted sanctions. You don’t know shite buddy.
Posted on 6/25/21 at 7:32 am to supatigah
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I have explained the differences between illegal and legal recruiting for private schools for years on here. not doing it again
the school admin and the diocese handles tuition aid programs, not coaches. a coach can endorse a kid to the admissions office but a coach has no control over tuition aid, (except at shaw) the program is hinged on tax returns not word of mouth
the underlying factor that most ignore is these kids went through the admissions process and enrolled at catholic voluntarily, they wanted to be there. they are not drafted, they arent chosen, they are offered an opportunity thst they accepted
if the violations were improper contact, then that is inexcusable. faculty and staff members know the rules and they are easy to follow. you use intermediaries like parents and alums to talk to people and funnel them through the official channels in the admissions office. if you are on staff you never talk to parents or kids directly outside of the proper roles and channels of admissions.
If you saw the shaw report, that's not exactly what happened per se.
and correct me if I am wrong but, coaches(nor the admin) can offer financial assistance, transportation or any other inducement available to the general student population. Aforementioned assistance cannot be offered prior to the prospective student applying to the school and in some cases actually being accepted into the school.
Now where it really gets hard to prove is when it is not someone "officially" associated with a school and said person has enough resources to help house, employ and cover tuition(if private school) the parent(s) of stellar athletes.. heck this happened at a public school that one a 4a or 5a and haven't sniffed one since.
THe contact rules are pretty cut and dry and easy to follow - I mean if a coach stands next to parents or auntee long enough eventually they will talk to the coach and ask about the school
again, I really wish this wouldn't have happened, because it makes eliminating or altering the split in the near future incredibly unlikely and there is a growing sentiment against charter schools now too.
Posted on 6/25/21 at 11:07 am to choupiquesushi
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If you saw the shaw report, that's not exactly what happened per se.
ok fair enough, not exactly
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and correct me if I am wrong but, coaches(nor the admin) can offer financial assistance, transportation or any other inducement available to the general student population. Aforementioned assistance cannot be offered prior to the prospective student applying to the school and in some cases actually being accepted into the school.
all they can do at the school level is start the process and hand the applicants the paperwork, they have zero authority to offer anything. They should not talk about anything with the parents or kids until the tax returns and supporting financial docs are submitted and reviewed and ruled on by the admissions committee.
admissions are supposed to be blind to financial aid and vice versa
a catholic school has an admissions director, a financial aid coordinator, an admissions committee and the diocese has a financial aid office with a committee. it would be an amazing feat to undermine all of that and offer athletics “scholarships” when the people that run those processes have to take everyone into account that are applying for aid, not just athletes or desires of coaches
a lot of private schools use third party services like “smartaid.com” to handle financial aid applicants externally to avoid impropriety
now arranging for wealthy boosters to pay tuition for orher kids can and does happen and it is the easiest way to over ride the system. that is very difficult to prove though
my guess is the coaches got busted for recruitng with illegal contact and that lead to discovery of the coaches coordinating work arounds the rules and the system. just illegal contact with kids is probably not enough to vacate four seasons but investigating illegal contact and finding more would probably do the trick
Posted on 6/25/21 at 11:30 am to supatigah
quote:correct that is simply not even close to causing vacating titles.
my guess is the coaches got busted for recruitng with illegal contact and that lead to discovery of the coaches coordinating work arounds the rules and the system. just illegal contact with kids is probably not enough to vacate four seasons but investigating illegal contact and finding more would probably do the trick
Posted on 6/25/21 at 7:54 pm to tigerskin
A blatant conflict of interest existed with LHSAA executive director having had a son playing a sport at CHS - he would obviously want to lessen competition for his son for a spot on a team.
Every private school recruits - it is called competition and it directly affects the caliber of athletics at a school.
Are the students and their parents being coerced or otherwise taken advantage of? If not, why should we imagine they are incapable of informed consent in choosing to apply to a school that has a superior athletic program?
What prevents coaches & financial supporters at public high schools from helping parents of promising athletes move into their district? Should parents not have the right to move, so their children can attend better schools?
As long as students follow academic standards of schools, why should anyone hate on the student athletes on academic scholarships, as they bring money and prestige to the school?
Should we now agree that coaches at schools like LSU should not go watch high school players and recruit them, instead waiting for individual students to enroll before discussing students playing sports for LSU?
In an ideal world of school choice, students could take their educational vouchers to the schools that best meet their academic and athletic needs. If anything, this situation perfectly demonstrates how school choice would drastically level the playing field for academically and athletically gifted students, regardless of parents’ income. Why should they not be rewarded for their great efforts?
What are the statistics for graduates of CHS, versus graduates of the average public high school in EBR? What percentage hold full time jobs after graduation? What percentage have not been incarcerated? What percentage are men with intact families? What percentage haven’t been caught dealing drugs? What percentage have not committed domestic abuse?
The gift of a Catholic education and formation cannot be calculated in mere dollars. Catholic High has formed men of integrity in this community since 1894. If anything, the public should be begging the school to expand and open satellite campuses throughout the city. Maybe then we wouldn’t have so many aimless and angry young men causing regular violence in our community.
Every private school recruits - it is called competition and it directly affects the caliber of athletics at a school.
Are the students and their parents being coerced or otherwise taken advantage of? If not, why should we imagine they are incapable of informed consent in choosing to apply to a school that has a superior athletic program?
What prevents coaches & financial supporters at public high schools from helping parents of promising athletes move into their district? Should parents not have the right to move, so their children can attend better schools?
As long as students follow academic standards of schools, why should anyone hate on the student athletes on academic scholarships, as they bring money and prestige to the school?
Should we now agree that coaches at schools like LSU should not go watch high school players and recruit them, instead waiting for individual students to enroll before discussing students playing sports for LSU?
In an ideal world of school choice, students could take their educational vouchers to the schools that best meet their academic and athletic needs. If anything, this situation perfectly demonstrates how school choice would drastically level the playing field for academically and athletically gifted students, regardless of parents’ income. Why should they not be rewarded for their great efforts?
What are the statistics for graduates of CHS, versus graduates of the average public high school in EBR? What percentage hold full time jobs after graduation? What percentage have not been incarcerated? What percentage are men with intact families? What percentage haven’t been caught dealing drugs? What percentage have not committed domestic abuse?
The gift of a Catholic education and formation cannot be calculated in mere dollars. Catholic High has formed men of integrity in this community since 1894. If anything, the public should be begging the school to expand and open satellite campuses throughout the city. Maybe then we wouldn’t have so many aimless and angry young men causing regular violence in our community.
Posted on 6/25/21 at 8:06 pm to LookAtTheData
Vacating wins for recruiting in high school is an indictment on the priorities of the accuser, not the accused.
They don’t care about you recruiting the smartest students, but don’t dare recruit the most athletic students.
They don’t care about you recruiting the smartest students, but don’t dare recruit the most athletic students.
Posted on 6/25/21 at 8:08 pm to LookAtTheData
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What prevents coaches & financial supporters at public high schools from helping parents of promising athletes move into their district?
You mean, like hiring their parents to work at your business so they can be there to help your QB son and his team succeed?
Posted on 6/25/21 at 8:42 pm to LookAtTheData
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A blatant conflict of interest existed with LHSAA executive director having had a son playing a sport at CHS - he would obviously want to lessen competition for his son for a spot on a team.
Wtf
Posted on 6/25/21 at 10:58 pm to tigerskin
Do you fault them for it?
Posted on 6/25/21 at 11:02 pm to Modern
What is your understanding of Christo Rey?
Posted on 6/25/21 at 11:09 pm to RGJ18
If the Catholic Church would actually focus on its mission to offer Catholic education to every child that desires it, instead of closing inner city schools and taking in 40% of their budget from federal contracts to serve immigrants, prisoners, etc., many of the boys and girls in public grade schools whose parents can’t alone afford Catholic tuition, would be afforded the advantage of a Catholic education.
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