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re: Catholic High sanctioned by LHSAA for recruiting
Posted on 6/22/21 at 10:46 am to tigerskin
Posted on 6/22/21 at 10:46 am to tigerskin
going with the idea that Catholic doesn’t recruit because your grandson wasn’t recruited.......that ain’t it.
You can’t possibly have orange and black glasses that thick huh?
Also, you saying if someone has proof of something, then turn them in......well it looks like that happened
Where did I say they didn’t recruit ? I’m saying it was a technical violation that didn’t amount to a hill of beans and didn’t enhance the team to affect winning on the field where it counts. From what I understand it was a text. If they had just talked to the parents, wouldn’t have been a violation they could prove. And if you don’t think this goes on at many schools including Central, you are delusional. Central always has players from out of district, enticed to come there. I remember a star running back there a few years ago that was dumb as a rock but was allowed to play under something called non diploma bound. At least at Catholic, you make the grades or you don’t play.
You can’t possibly have orange and black glasses that thick huh?
Also, you saying if someone has proof of something, then turn them in......well it looks like that happened
Where did I say they didn’t recruit ? I’m saying it was a technical violation that didn’t amount to a hill of beans and didn’t enhance the team to affect winning on the field where it counts. From what I understand it was a text. If they had just talked to the parents, wouldn’t have been a violation they could prove. And if you don’t think this goes on at many schools including Central, you are delusional. Central always has players from out of district, enticed to come there. I remember a star running back there a few years ago that was dumb as a rock but was allowed to play under something called non diploma bound. At least at Catholic, you make the grades or you don’t play.
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Posted on 6/22/21 at 10:46 am to tigerskin
I can't speak to what I do not know about and I am not going to make assumptions on what CHS did or didn't do. CHS has to defend themselves and/or live with the penalties.
However, I am a parent of a kid who was a back-up the past 4 years, and I can tell you what I do know.
The heart and soul of this team were not all-stars but rather the lunch-pail type kids that practiced hard and played hard. I know you all don't have my perspective, but you just need to look at the scholarship offers to know that these weren't highly recruited athletes.
The highest recruited guys (Currently there is a lineman and a receiver) are but 2 and they weren't around during the 2017 alleged time frame. The guys from the past 4 years were not your typical all-stars.
I feel for the kids who worked hard, overcame obstacles, and went out champions only to have their accomplishments smeared. I have told my son that I don't care what LHSAA, the media or random internet folks say. He and his team are champions.
However, I am a parent of a kid who was a back-up the past 4 years, and I can tell you what I do know.
The heart and soul of this team were not all-stars but rather the lunch-pail type kids that practiced hard and played hard. I know you all don't have my perspective, but you just need to look at the scholarship offers to know that these weren't highly recruited athletes.
The highest recruited guys (Currently there is a lineman and a receiver) are but 2 and they weren't around during the 2017 alleged time frame. The guys from the past 4 years were not your typical all-stars.
I feel for the kids who worked hard, overcame obstacles, and went out champions only to have their accomplishments smeared. I have told my son that I don't care what LHSAA, the media or random internet folks say. He and his team are champions.
This post was edited on 6/22/21 at 10:49 am
Posted on 6/22/21 at 10:48 am to Naptime
You are clueless. If you are talking about the twins from Dutchtown, they definitely played last year. And their coach is not the one to turn them in. An ex-assistant coach turned them in. And what they were doing was pretty bold.
Those twins are seniors this year. They are what this whole thing was started over. They NEVER started a game and only played when the game was locked up.
Those twins are seniors this year. They are what this whole thing was started over. They NEVER started a game and only played when the game was locked up.
Posted on 6/22/21 at 10:54 am to KajunRhino
feel for the kids who worked hard, overcame obstacles, and went out champions only to have their accomplishments smeared. I have told my son that I don't care what LHSAA, the media or random internet folks say. He and his team are champions.
Exactly. These kids know how they won and it wasn’t from cheating. They will always be recognized as state champions by those that know. The 2019 team that lost in the championship game was one of the best teams this state has ever seen, they destroyed good opponents and fought the hard games to win against the very best like STM out of Lafayette. The work ethic, desire, selfless team work they demonstrated will be with them the rest of their lives. There was no superstar, just a TEAM of average hard working kids that put it all together on the field. With not a single player that was recruited. That can never be taken from them.
Exactly. These kids know how they won and it wasn’t from cheating. They will always be recognized as state champions by those that know. The 2019 team that lost in the championship game was one of the best teams this state has ever seen, they destroyed good opponents and fought the hard games to win against the very best like STM out of Lafayette. The work ethic, desire, selfless team work they demonstrated will be with them the rest of their lives. There was no superstar, just a TEAM of average hard working kids that put it all together on the field. With not a single player that was recruited. That can never be taken from them.
Posted on 6/22/21 at 10:56 am to Bruiser12221
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I remember a star running back there a few years ago that was dumb as a rock but was allowed to play under something called non diploma bound. At least at Catholic, you make the grades or you don’t play.
Yes if non diploma track it sounds like he was a special education student. We know Catholic doesn’t accept Special Education students.
Posted on 6/22/21 at 11:20 am to secondandshort
Yes if non diploma track it sounds like he was a special education student. We know Catholic doesn’t accept Special Education students.
Since the main focus of Catholic High is a quality education that is very expensive BTW, I can understand that. If a student is special ed, there are plenty of schools you can pay about the same to send them to or send to public schools that have programs for them. But the same applies. They would get a much better education at a school that specializes in special ed because our public schools don’t do a good job of it.
Since the main focus of Catholic High is a quality education that is very expensive BTW, I can understand that. If a student is special ed, there are plenty of schools you can pay about the same to send them to or send to public schools that have programs for them. But the same applies. They would get a much better education at a school that specializes in special ed because our public schools don’t do a good job of it.
Posted on 6/22/21 at 11:35 am to Bruiser12221
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what they were doing was pretty bold.
Why doesn’t anyone want to say what they were doing? Y’all are sharing more about the kids involved than the actual violations.
Posted on 6/22/21 at 11:41 am to lsu711
Why doesn’t anyone want to say what they were doing? Y’all are sharing more about the kids involved than the actual violations.
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Supposedly some texts about kids coming from Dutchtown. Kids that never started a single down and only played sparingly when the game was out of reach. Not one kid that played in these 4 years as a starter is a subject of the investigation. There are a lot of politics involved in this, and some whining from a coach.
Posted on 6/22/21 at 12:19 pm to lsu711
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All private schools recruit.
With less to sell...other than a better education. Private schools aren’t cheaper. Usually aren’t closer to home. Bus isn’t guaranteed. No subsidized lunch.
Gov sponsored recruiting at public schools doesn’t sound too bad.
There have been numerous occurrences of public schools recruiting -- especially in northern parishes -- especially when the paper industry was booming. BIG programs would entice a kid to come "move" to their district -- and Pops would get a great position @ a paper mill, or Mom would become Asst. to the Mill manager...
Even in Orleans parish, things like this have happened.
ALL -- and I mean ALL great programs do this in some form or another...CHS just got caught (or was "turned in")
Posted on 6/22/21 at 12:25 pm to cypresstiger
Traditional public schools have all of their students assigned to them. So if a random kid all of a sudden "moves" into their district, and that kid is a stud athlete, it's pretty easy to see what is happening.
The grade 8-12 Private Schools have no feeders by definition, and all private schools, every student must choose to attend (and be accepted).
Private schools are allowed by LHSAA rules to give scholarships for academics, they are allowed to give financial aid to needy families, but they can't give academic scholarships.
It is the nature of life that many of the best football players coming up in Louisiana, come from families who are indeed needy.
Then you have the other side... look at Arch Manning. Was he "recruited" to play football at Newman? I doubt he's getting any financial aid... but surely people said, hey, you should go to Newman and play football...
My point is... you have two system (public and private) that are so completely different in how they get students, that it is impossible to have one set of rules that works for both of them.
This is why many other states have separate private vs public associations. Hell, in Texas... you have TWO private school associations, because even among the private schools, there are huge differences (Yes a couple of Jesuit schools play in the public league... because they are so much bigger than the other private schools... and honestly, neither one is all that good at football).
The grade 8-12 Private Schools have no feeders by definition, and all private schools, every student must choose to attend (and be accepted).
Private schools are allowed by LHSAA rules to give scholarships for academics, they are allowed to give financial aid to needy families, but they can't give academic scholarships.
It is the nature of life that many of the best football players coming up in Louisiana, come from families who are indeed needy.
Then you have the other side... look at Arch Manning. Was he "recruited" to play football at Newman? I doubt he's getting any financial aid... but surely people said, hey, you should go to Newman and play football...
My point is... you have two system (public and private) that are so completely different in how they get students, that it is impossible to have one set of rules that works for both of them.
This is why many other states have separate private vs public associations. Hell, in Texas... you have TWO private school associations, because even among the private schools, there are huge differences (Yes a couple of Jesuit schools play in the public league... because they are so much bigger than the other private schools... and honestly, neither one is all that good at football).
Posted on 6/22/21 at 12:25 pm to tigerskin
I’m sure it’s just jealousy
Posted on 6/22/21 at 12:29 pm to choupiquesushi
quote:And people question why there's a split.
actually this has happened before, being a private organization they are not bound by information requests NOR are PRIVATE schools... SU Lab and McKinley oare public. Any press conference publicly disclosing sanctions would have come with approval or from the school itself.
Posted on 6/22/21 at 12:52 pm to Bruiser12221
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I've been around the Prairieville program for a long time. I know you can't name more than 2 players that went to Catholic High. And trust me, these were not Star player
Those 2 are what started the investigation because the coach over there whines about it. Neither one played, never started a down.
Like I said earlier I can name one for sure that came from Prairieville Middle that not only started for Catholic the kid was 2X all state
Posted on 6/22/21 at 12:52 pm to LSUFanHouston
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hey, you should go to Newman and play football...
I guarantee no one ever said this to Arch… it was understood before he was ever conceived that he’d be at Newman
quote:it’s one thing to have a stud move in. It’s another to have a team around him
if a random kid all of a sudden "moves" into their district, and that kid is a stud athlete, it's pretty easy to see what is happening.
Posted on 6/22/21 at 12:56 pm to Bruiser12221
This is totally false. Fertitta basically put out a recruiting manual to his assistant coaches and assigned them to BREC teams, middle school teams, Catholic school teams and various little league teams. It was more widespread than you think. Then they got into it with a former ninth grade coach that was at another school. Both schools went to the LHSAA about each other. There were plenty of emails, text, pictures, etc on Catholic. Dutchtown coach had nothing to do with reporting it
Posted on 6/22/21 at 1:26 pm to Naptime
Yeah. Still struggling to find the issue with that. It’s a private school. How else are you going to obtain interest in your school without putting yourself out there to non feeder schools. The split was created for this.
Posted on 6/22/21 at 1:28 pm to Michael Stein
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It hasn’t been much of an advantage for St. Michael, though. Doesn’t seem like we plan on taking football seriously anytime soon. Expect more consistently average seasons and first-round playoff exists until that changes.
FACTS. There was a time when Eric Held was there where St. Michael appeared to be headed in the right direction and actually had a kid (Julius Warmsley) that made it to the NFL.
They got the really nice weight room built, and even beat Catholic in the Redemptorist Jamboree one year, but they've regressed ever since. With Istrouma back up and running and Liberty primed for its first varsity season, it's hard to see when or if St. Michael will contend for a district title against the likes of Plaquemine and be well-rounded enough to compete and win a playoff game.
Posted on 6/22/21 at 1:34 pm to rt3
How convenient of Bonine to release a memo about it yesterday to the members.
Posted on 6/22/21 at 1:35 pm to chalmetteowl
Shaw bumping down to 3A
Posted on 6/22/21 at 1:40 pm to atlee
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It hasn’t been much of an advantage for St. Michael, though. Doesn’t seem like we plan on taking football seriously anytime soon. Expect more consistently average seasons and first-round playoff exists until that changes.
FACTS. There was a time when Eric Held was there where St. Michael appeared to be headed in the right direction and actually had a kid (Julius Warmsley) that made it to the NFL.
They got the really nice weight room built, and even beat Catholic in the Redemptorist Jamboree one year, but they've regressed ever since. With Istrouma back up and running and Liberty primed for its first varsity season, it's hard to see when or if St. Michael will contend for a district title against the likes of Plaquemine and be well-rounded enough to compete and win a playoff game.
IMO, St. Michael's started going down after Joe Scimeca left as principle. The current principle, (Lee?) is not a major proponent of building an athletic program.
Several boosters there have told me this -- and that nothing of major improvement to the football program gets approved --- even when the boosters will pay for it.
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