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re: Can somebody explain to me this LHSAA thing to me?

Posted on 1/29/16 at 4:04 pm to
Posted by Horsemeat
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Member since Dec 2014
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Posted on 1/29/16 at 4:04 pm to
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The LHSAA is essentially punishing thousands of kids because one school hides in 2A beating up on tiny public schools instead of playing 4A/5A schools that can field a team capable of competing against them.


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Posted by LSUSilverfox
Member since Jun 2007
2707 posts
Posted on 1/29/16 at 4:05 pm to
What amazes me is that every conversation I've had with someone that played sports at a "non-select" school could care less about "select" or "non-select". They all have said they never felt at a disadvantage on the field.
Posted by Cowboyfan89
Member since Sep 2015
12933 posts
Posted on 1/29/16 at 4:10 pm to
Agreed. the problem is, the public school guys are wrong here. And this is coming from a public school guy. this is adults deciding that its "unfair" to the kids. Adults whining about "fairness" is pathetic. They should know better.

My thing is, if they are "too good" to play against you in the playoffs, then don't play them at all. Screw this crap. If I'm the private schools, I'm forming my own league. You aren't going to tell me that you are fine with playing me in the regular season, but when it comes to playoffs, "oh no guys, we are taking our ball and going to play over here. You go do your thing over there."

That's crap. It's pathetic, and its whiny.

New Public School Motto: "If we can't beat 'em, we'll kick 'em out."
Posted by Methuselah
On da Riva
Member since Jan 2005
23350 posts
Posted on 1/29/16 at 4:25 pm to
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And if that is so? What do you expect, just roll over and have your interests not represented? That would be utter stupidity to continue and expect different, better results.


No. Everyone should represent their positions. And then live with the result. The old "majority rules, minority rights" thing. I just don't see the private schools as having their rights violated by this vote which went against them. It might not be the result they wanted to but I don't see it as a rights violation. If that's the case, every person, institution or group which has ever lost a vote would leave the organization/city/state/country, etc. that they are a part of.

I am curious if there are other issues that the private schools feel were forced down their throat or is it just this one that went the way they didn't want it to.

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And what's it to you, then, Methusaleh, if the privates do separate. Or, in your disparaging voice...."take their ball and go home?" You've indicated no other solution, and nothing but disdain for the privates in both of these threads on here, and the one from a few years ago. Oh, you preface it with "no dog in this hunt" or "I sent my kids to private schools" but the rest of your posting is nothing but vitriol and a sense of 'who needs you, anyway?'

It's nothing to me. I'm just expressing an opinion. No more. No less. I have no disdain for private schools. They do a service to many children. I don't have a great amount of respect for some of their "supporters" on this board who are all about bluster and threats. That's why I kept asking what is in the best interest of the private schools, not what some message board posters felt were a good scare tactic. Especially when it's tinged with an attitude of "we've got the money, better do what we say or you'll miss our money".

In the end I think most entities - be it schools, people, corporations, governments, etc. act in their best interest. If the private schools think it's in their interest to leave they[ll leave. If they think its in their best interest to stay, even if a vote goes against them from time to time, they'll stay.
Posted by tiger94gop
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Member since Nov 2004
3054 posts
Posted on 1/29/16 at 5:00 pm to
You are confused, JC and Evangel used to play up, the 4A and 5A schools complained. They were sent down to the lower levels, that is when the lower schools complained and where the split started.

If schools were allowed to play up beyond their enrollment, this would be over.The kids who are knocking on the Private's doors to get a better education and play the best competition would not doing it for naught. While their Parents are still paying taxes to support schools they don't want their kids in.

None of this is right. I attend multiple highschool sports in BR, my daughter plays in the CHS band, I go to everything.Without the Privates, many public school sports don't exist. When Catholic played Broadmoor they had more players than fans. BR publics need the gate.

You know the other problem with this is sports is all some of the publics school kids have. That is why they lowered the scores, without sports these kids drop out and are essentially lost.

Northern LA schools don't see it, but urban Publics do. Who cares if a Private school gets a few kids. Ninety percent or more are paying not for sports but for a better future.

This is typical Public school idiocy.
Posted by Choupique19
The cheap seats
Member since Sep 2005
63496 posts
Posted on 1/29/16 at 5:14 pm to
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None of this is right. I attend multiple highschool sports in BR, my daughter plays in the CHS band, I go to everything.Without the Privates, many public school sports don't exist. When Catholic played Broadmoor they had more players than fans. BR publics need the gate.


So all public schools in the state are just like Broadmoor?

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You are confused, JC and Evangel used to play up, the 4A and 5A schools complained. They were sent down to the lower levels, that is when the lower schools complained and where the split started.



Why should John Curtis get to choose on their own what class they played in? They never played in the state's top classification, ever.
Posted by Keltic Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2006
20566 posts
Posted on 1/30/16 at 12:01 pm to
"Private school gates". Bingo! It's about money. Public schools want to play private schools during the regular season in order to be able to collect their share of gate monies when they travel to a private school. A large majority of those stands are packed, so the gate money is significant. Notice that no private school travels, if they do at all, to a public school field to collect any gate money. Crowds there are often in hundreds on a good nite. As well: a public school play off could have more than a few teams with 0-10 like records. is this good for those kids to play this type of watered down playoff game?
Posted by Methuselah
On da Riva
Member since Jan 2005
23350 posts
Posted on 1/30/16 at 12:15 pm to
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"Private school gates". Bingo! It's about money. Public schools want to play private schools during the regular season in order to be able to collect their share of gate monies when they travel to a private school. A large majority of those stands are packed, so the gate money is significant. Notice that no private school travels, if they do at all, to a public school field to collect any gate money.

I keep seeing this argument but I've never seen any actual evidence to back it up. And it goes against my personal experience. Public schools in our area always draw a great crowd.
Posted by La Sapper
Member since Jan 2016
117 posts
Posted on 1/30/16 at 1:08 pm to
The answer is that public school principals want to punish private schools taking athletes from their schools without addressing the fact that if public schools were not so terrible they would not have the problem to begin with.

Posted by double d
Amarillo by morning
Member since Jun 2004
16878 posts
Posted on 1/30/16 at 1:23 pm to
Exactly Methus, Lutcher always packs the house and travels well as do HHS and DHS. Oh and privates do travel to some publics. Rummel came to Hahnville 2 years in a row. Both sides were SRO and two great games. Jesuit came to us last year also.

I do understand the concerns about the urban publics. This whole split thing stinks for all sides
Posted by JJ27
Member since Sep 2004
61500 posts
Posted on 1/30/16 at 1:27 pm to
Is this just a Baton Rouge problem? In the Monroe area, every game has packed stands and hundreds to thousands more standing around the track. Not just West Monroe before someone tries to make that argument. ALL SCHOOLS.
Posted by chalmetteowl
Chalmette
Member since Jan 2008
51812 posts
Posted on 1/30/16 at 1:32 pm to
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without addressing the fact that if public schools were not so terrible they would not have the problem to begin with.
if that was the case why are there any select schools in St. Tammany? Bottom line is select schools weren't getting a random population of kids like Public schools do
Posted by JJ27
Member since Sep 2004
61500 posts
Posted on 1/30/16 at 1:36 pm to
No one is trying to punish private schools for taking their players. This is 100% because of Curtis and Evangel. The actual split happened because Curtis curb stomped Winnfield in the Dome and their principal went on a crusade to split. Also Barbe lost to Rummel for the first Catholic league title and their principal cried too.

I'll say what the real problem here is since no one else wants to apparently. This is what happens when women run sports. "But but but its just not FAIR!!! Everyone is a winner and deserves a trophy!!!!"
This post was edited on 1/30/16 at 3:31 pm
Posted by chalmetteowl
Chalmette
Member since Jan 2008
51812 posts
Posted on 1/30/16 at 1:43 pm to
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This is 100% because of Curtis and Evangel.
and Riverside basketball, and New Living Word... and more
Posted by La Sapper
Member since Jan 2016
117 posts
Posted on 1/30/16 at 1:52 pm to
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f that was the case why are there any select schools in St. Tammany? Bottom line is select schools weren't getting a random population of kids like Public schools do


Not trying to be rude but can you rephrase for me? I am confused.
Posted by TROLA
BATON ROUGE
Member since Apr 2004
13926 posts
Posted on 1/30/16 at 1:59 pm to
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and Riverside basketball, and New Living Word... and more


about the Barbes in baseball, the scotlandvilles and zwolles in basketball or the west monroes and nevilles of football.. The list is there on both sides
Posted by Starchild
Member since May 2010
13550 posts
Posted on 1/30/16 at 2:04 pm to
For those that went to public schools and played sports, what are your thoughts?

Personally, I always enjoyed the challenge of playing the Evangels, STMs, Parkviews of the world. Recruiting and championships be damned, it was motivating to come from a smaller school and not only compete with but beat teams like that sometimes. The current version is so watered down, I just wouldn't feel like I'd beaten the best to win it all.
Posted by JJ27
Member since Sep 2004
61500 posts
Posted on 1/30/16 at 2:07 pm to
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schools and played sports, what are your thoughts?



Played for WM in the 90's. 2 rings, 4 losses total. Neville, Natchitoches Central twice, and Barbe. Never lost to a private school. Never liked the split personally.
Posted by WMTigerFAN
Ouachita
Member since Feb 2005
4697 posts
Posted on 1/30/16 at 2:13 pm to
Winnfield, not Winnsboro. Know you meant that JJ, others may be confused.
Posted by JJ27
Member since Sep 2004
61500 posts
Posted on 1/30/16 at 3:31 pm to
Thanks. Fixed.
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