re: Black ex-coaches say NFL's Rooney Rule is broken

The fact that the NFL has a Rooney rule is a slap in the face to every black coach in the NFL. It screams discrimination. Why would any black coach want to be interviewed as a mere token bc that team has to is beyond me. I truly believe the best candidate should always get the job and it doesnt matter what color they are. I also think that the owners of the teams today want to win and wouldnt hire a coach because of race. Its a subjec that is getting tired and the NFL needs to shut the Rooney rule down completely.

Don't you think teams pick qualified personnel GM or coaches get picked due to experience and track record? Two coaches off the top of my head are lovie smith and romeo crennel since they were two HC that were fired recently.

Lovie smith, good defensive oriented HC, great starts, HORRIBLE finishes. costed them back to back playoffs. will ONLY take HC position, trust me 9/10 teams would have taken him as DC, but he wants a HC position who's fault is that?

Romeo crennel, bad teams, old, might have mental issues after watching a player suicide, etc.

couple from last offseason:
Raheem Morris, couldn't control his team. what owner wants a weak-locker room presence of a coach?

Jim Caldwell, no manning more problems. was he a good coach or was he lucky with manning? that's what it was all about.

If a coach doesn't do great, they get fired. Obviously, look at spags: HC of rams, got fired, became DC of saints, got fired. BAD coaches get fired. some coaches that are HC and do bad, go back to where they excelled at and build their resume back up. I'm sure if baltimore blows away 49er's and they succeed next year offensively, jim caldwell will probably be given a 2nd shot at a HC gig somewhere based on how well he coached a team, not because he's black or white.

If you REALLY want to make the rule change and become a bigger deal, why do we also have to limit it to AA coaches/front office? why not expand it to the asians/hispanics/minorities in sports?

The only big asian named coach I can think of offhand is Norm Chow who was OC for the titans in 05-07(?) correct me if I'm wrong. so let's get more then right?!

black people love to complain, you don't see asians complaining about racism all the damn time. frick

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Can we please get the Rooney Rule for white running backs and white cornerbacks?

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so tired of blacks bitching and moaning about their not being enough minority coaches. The best man gets the job. Period.

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again this was one story by one writer and an un-named source (who may not have even been with the team at the time of the interview OR who may not have had any decision making in the interview)

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Every time I bring that up, you completely fail to acknowledge that it very well may be true, and if it is true, then what happens to your stance? When some of the most well respected media type guys in the know all speak of it as fact, you have to acknowledge at the very least, that there is a pretty good chance that it is indeed true.

And if it is, then what?

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Not intentionally, but do you seriously believe that none of the 32 owners think black people are inherently less qualified?

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It's not even that, really.

Think of it in general terms, if you go to a wedding for 2 white people, generally speaking, guests are going to be mostly white, correct? Now how about a wedding with 2 black people?

Or, black people marry other black people at a much higher rate compared to how often a white person marries a black person, right?

Why does all of that happen? The answer to that question is the same reasons why you'll see white owners and GMs tend to hire more retread white coaches.

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Ahhh, how's it going RevvvRENNND Jacksonnnn

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Reverend Jackson is black, I thought?

Any specific reason you dodged my question?

DId you read page 1? Page 1 is pretty much nothing but derogatory posts against black people, i'm just curious to know why you skipped over all of those?

For the record, I didn't call out VOR or any of them, so I have no dog in that fight. I'm just wondering why you chose only 1 side to call out and not the other? Even moreso wondering now since you seemed to sidestep my question.

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It's not even that, really.

Think of it in general terms, if you go to a wedding for 2 white people, generally speaking, guests are going to be mostly white, correct? Now how about a wedding with 2 black people?

Or, black people marry other black people at a much higher rate compared to how often a white person marries a black person, right?

Why does all of that happen? The answer to that question is the same reasons why you'll see white owners and GMs tend to hire more retread white coaches.

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This is part of what I was trying to convey last night to SFP and a couple of others. It is institutionalized and not really a conscious or intentional act in most cases. The real purpose, imo, of the Rooney Rule is to get qualified black coaches into the mix and the conversation. Perhaps, they only get a token interview at first, but if they're talented at least they get noticed and may be hired in the future.

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And many blacks do complain about racism when they don't get their way

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I never disagreed.

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Yet, you're trying way too hard to infer racism on my part

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I just don't get why you didn't call out the guy who said "Black people will never be happy. FACT", but you called out the guy who quoted that guy and said white people have are irritated by black people.

I still don't get it, but hey, keep doin what you do.

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Not surprising given your stance on the issue

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Actually, YOUR stance is not surprising considering the comments you're calling out and the comments you just let slide in this thread. That's the least surprising thing going here, but nice try.

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Trying to play gotcha is weak shite fwiw

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So is running away when being asked a question. Just slinking away, not answering the question and getting defensive is about as weak as it gets.