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Posted on 2/1/13 at 7:23 am to shel311
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So is running away when being asked a question. Just slinking away, not answering the question and getting defensive is about as weak as it gets.
Running away?
Calling out VOR for his frequent rants against "southern white boys" was due.
You coming to his aid is sooooo cute though.
Not that there is anything wrong w/ that.
Posted on 2/1/13 at 7:26 am to dominustd
quote:I don't get what's funny.
Running away?
You clearly never answered the question, so what else am I supposed to think?
quote:I don't know much or anything really about VOR, and I never said it was or wasn't due, did I?
Calling out VOR for his frequent rants against "southern white boys" was due
But none of that changes anything about my question, you intentionally not answering, and generally speaking, why you were seemingly ok with all the derogatory stuff on page 1, but wasn't ok with the first person to call the posters on the derogatory posts.
But hey, continue to dodge the question and play dumb when called on it, that's always a good look.
Posted on 2/1/13 at 7:44 am to kywildcatfanone
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The Fritz Pollard Alliance, a group of minority coaches and front-office, scouting and game-day NFL officials, wants the Rooney Rule expanded to apply to coordinators, assistant head coaches and club president positions.
That actually might be a better way to handle it. Head Coaches don't get hired based on race, they get hired based on past success and who's coaching tree they come from. The Rooney Rule for HCs is stupid because most teams probably update their short list of candidates every year and if one of the candidates isn't black, they'll just interview a guy they know isn't going to be hired. At the lower levels of coaching though, it might open more doors. I really don't think a system like this is needed in the NFL, but if you're going to do it, target the lower level coaching positions.
Posted on 2/1/13 at 8:15 am to shel311
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and if it is true, then what happens to your stance?
that one person who is possibly in the steelers front office thought he was "too hip hop" (whatever that means)
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then what?
i don't know. what does it even mean?
would they have hired tony dungy? if so, then it wasn't a race issue
Posted on 2/1/13 at 8:22 am to VOR
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This is part of what I was trying to convey last night to SFP
i know what you were talking about, but it's not racism, and i'll show you why: if this were true, then GMs would overlook white players due to the disproportionate amount of black players in the NFL
where's the wes welker rule?
but in all seriousness, when you're talking about GMs who are so surrounded by black people all day, every day, i seriously doubt that they have a bad case of xenophobia.
until a year or so ago, black coaches completely represented a disproportionate (more than the national average) makeup of the NFL coaching family. i just can't imagine that NFL GMs have gotten really racist b/c many of those coaches were shite coaches who happened to be black
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. Perhaps, they only get a token interview at first, but if they're talented at least they get noticed and may be hired in the future.
that just seems really demeaning. i'd be pissed to be the pawn in that manipulation, honestly
Posted on 2/1/13 at 8:24 am to shel311
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Thisssssss!!!!
racism is an intentional act/though
expanding the concept of "racism" because our society has advanced so much does nothing to help any of us
all it does is keep the race pimps in business b/c they have a job when they can show racism. if our society has pretty much eliminated it (especially institutionally), they wield no power
Posted on 2/1/13 at 8:41 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:Dolphins front office.
that one person who is possibly in the steelers front office thought he was "too hip hop" (whatever that means)
quote:It would mean your theory is wrong, pretty clearly lol.
i don't know. what does it even mean?
quote:The Dolphins? I dont know.
would they have hired tony dungy? if so, then it wasn't a race issue
And that wouldn't mean it's a race issue if they didn't think Dungy was "hip hop"
This post was edited on 2/1/13 at 8:44 am
Posted on 2/1/13 at 8:45 am to shel311
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It means your theory is wrong, pretty clearly lol.
not really
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And that wouldn't mean it's a race issue if they didn't think Dungy was "hip hop"
that's what i'm saying
Posted on 2/1/13 at 8:45 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:I don't think I ever said this was all due to "racism".
racism is an intentional act/though
Posted on 2/1/13 at 8:46 am to shel311
I didn't know VOR and shel311 were black. Also, if there were more black OCs in the nfl, wouldn't the QB being running the ball more?
Seriously, this thread reminds me that Afreaux is gone.
Seriously, this thread reminds me that Afreaux is gone.
This post was edited on 2/1/13 at 8:47 am
Posted on 2/1/13 at 8:47 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:Now here's the problem with that:
that's what i'm saying
What in the world is "hip hop" about Mike Tomlin? He's about as non-hip hop as a person can get, from what we've seen.
IMO, there is only ONE reason the Dolphins would think he was "too hip hop", and we all know that reason.
So, if that story were to be true, you can reasonably assume that his race played a part in the Dolphins staying away from him, thus, proving your theory wrong, again IMO.
Posted on 2/1/13 at 8:49 am to RonBurgundy
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didn't know VOR and shel311 were black
I'm about as white as white can be, literally and figuratively
Does one have to be black to think there is an issue in the topic we're discussing?
Posted on 2/1/13 at 8:50 am to VOR
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We agree there, as well. However, it is interesting that Lovie was not hired. I'm not saying it's racist. I just think it's a little surprising.
No it's not
He's a defensive coach. 7/8 hires were offensive coaches. Racist!
Posted on 2/1/13 at 8:53 am to shel311
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What in the world is "hip hop" about Mike Tomlin?
i have no idea. the problem i have with that article is how he used an intentionally vague, referential term
i like lebatard, but i hate when journalists manufacture stories via un-named sources and use ambiguous terminology so they can argue whatever societal point they wish to argue.
your questions are my questions. i just am not coming down because there isn't any real evidence to judge
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So, if that story were to be true
then the dolphins deserves to be horrible like they have been. it's their choice to eliminate black coaches and suffer the consequences of eliminating that group of possible improvements to their organization. the market is working itself out
Posted on 2/1/13 at 8:54 am to DelU249
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He's a defensive coach. 7/8 hires were offensive coaches. Racist!
i pointed that out, as well as the low number of "retread" coaches
Posted on 2/1/13 at 8:59 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:Fwiw, he didn't report that story. He just has lots of his own sources within the Dolphins who have confirmed it is true to him. So he's never reported on it or anything, but he talks of it on his radio show and mentions that he knows it is true.
i like lebatard, but i hate when journalists manufacture stories via un-named sources and use ambiguous terminology so they can argue whatever societal point they wish to argue
quote:I completely agree.
then the dolphins deserves to be horrible like they have been
quote:It is absolutely their choice to eliminate black coache.s. The issue is the reason they're eliminating them.
it's their choice to eliminate black coaches and suffer the consequences of eliminating that group of possible improvements to their organization.
Posted on 2/1/13 at 9:12 am to SlowFlowPro
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i know what you were talking about, but it's not racism, and i'll show you why: if this were true, then GMs would overlook white players due to the disproportionate amount of black players in the NFL
where's the wes welker rule?
I know you're joking, but the point you're making isn't accurate. The two situations don't compare. For one thing, you see a white guy or black guys' comparative ability immediately on the field. And the nature he does and impact of a single player doesn't compare to that of a coach.
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xenophobia.
Not what we're talking about, really.
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that just seems really demeaning. i'd be pissed to be the pawn in that manipulation, honestly
I suppose it could be interpreted that way. Nevertheless, it does at least get a coach involved in the process.
Posted on 2/1/13 at 9:13 am to shel311
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The issue is the reason they're eliminating them.
i think it's their choice to run their team in the manner they wish, under the rules the other teams comprising the NFL promulgate
i mean it's not logical for a multi-billion dollar business like the Dolphins to have such a stupid ideology, but if that's who they are, then they will suffer for it.
i think the overall NFL issue is a non-issue being created due to a small sample size of one offseason. the common/past arguments that follow the underlying basis for the rooney rule dont' even apply (there was a low number of retread coaches and there was a lot of "outsider" picks). plus, one of the black coaches who was fired was a failed retread and the other will get another job as a HC and become a retread
what the main issue i have is that the concept of "racism" continues to expand as actual racism dies. this whole NFL coaching argument has an example of that. offensive coaches are now the popular choice as head coach and there just aren't that many minority offensive coordinators in teh NFL currently. so now, the NFL is racist because there is a perceived gap along racial lines in the coordinator ranks
but the real situation is that the NFL is cyclical. offensive coaches are in. young coaches are in. it will shift back
also, there just aren't that many good up and coming coaches in general. 8 teams had to hire new coaches this year. the NFL is chewing up coaches and spitting them out quick as shite right now regardless of race.
there really aren't that many good "hot" minority candidates. funny enough, i believe a large reason for this is that the NFL cannibalized some of them by hiring them too young (morris is a great example). in their attempt to hire black coaches a few years ago, they've all but eliminated the current crop of experienced black coaches right now. you can eliminate race, though. the NFL is cannibalizing a lot of young coaches, regardless of race, to find that young guy who works.
Posted on 2/1/13 at 9:15 am to VOR
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I know you're joking, but the point you're making isn't accurate. The two situations don't compare. For one thing, you see a white guy or black guys' comparative ability immediately on the field. And the nature he does and impact of a single player doesn't compare to that of a coach.
people (including soph) have argued before that the reason there aren't more white CBs, RBs, and WRs, is because they're selected out of the process due to skin color, actually. that argument does exist...just not in this specific discussion
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