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re: Ben Sheltons rise in Tennis is unique and elite; he is the next big American story

Posted on 1/21/23 at 11:30 am to
Posted by Lester Earl
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Posted on 1/21/23 at 11:30 am to
How do you know Ben, pridey
Posted by Tvilletiger
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Posted on 1/21/23 at 11:32 am to
Shelton is a nice player. Big lefty serve. Attacking ground strikes and some great bounce around the court.
It has surprised me he has risen so fast but I also believe they’re insanely good players who are ranked 1200 on the world.
With the natural athletic ability and his focus on tennis after having a mind that has been brought up as a kid around it this makes sense.
He has a lot of confidence that has been building that puts him in a match against anybody.
He will not win a grand slam yet I don’t believe that. His serve can keep him in a match if he is feeling it.
I also believe there are a few other top American players coming up.
There are also a slew of up and coming world talents. Tennis is being played at a very high level these days.
Posted by lsupride87
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Posted on 1/21/23 at 11:32 am to
The mainstream media hasn’t done anything on him period yet.
Posted by lsupride87
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Posted on 1/21/23 at 11:33 am to
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How do you know Ben, pridey
Know his father well from his Georgia tech days and before. I basically spend my entire s summers as a kid playing in Atlanta, and before he took the tech job he helped coach me a bit and I travelled with him a few other juniors around the country.. One of the nicest guys you will ever meet and a fantastic coach.
This post was edited on 1/21/23 at 11:40 am
Posted by Roscoe
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Posted on 1/21/23 at 11:52 am to
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However, Shelton didn’t even start playing tennis until 13, unheard of for even a college tennis player, much less one that goes pro. He was a hell of a young football player before then


From what I read, this is inaccurate. I read he started playing at a very young age, but was a dual sport athlete with football being high interest, but his interest in playing solely competitive tennis didn’t start until age 12.

That’s very different from picking up a racket at 13 and then becoming a USTA national champion at 17 and then NCAA singles champ at 19. The OP, for allegedly knowing the Sheltons, embellished the story to make it more of a “more unheard of story” than what it really was/is.

Also, I understand most pros on tour grow up at tennis academies. However, his dad was a USTA National Coach when he was a child. His dad was then GT Coach and then UF Coach. So, I’m sure he had elite training at a very young age.

Also, the article I read said his mother was a star junior tennis player and his sister is a star college tennks player.
This post was edited on 1/21/23 at 1:22 pm
Posted by lsupride87
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Posted on 1/21/23 at 11:59 am to
Yes he had picked up a racket before.

His first year playing full time he was ranked 80 in Florida at 13 to give you perspective

So to go from 80th in the state of Florida to top 50 in the world in 7 years is unprecedented.

At 13, the normal player who will break top 50 in the world would be roughly too 20 in the world junior rankings for his age

Clearly his raw talent and genes are a huge part of how there even possible
This post was edited on 1/21/23 at 12:00 pm
Posted by Broski
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Posted on 1/21/23 at 12:04 pm to
I think Seb Korda’s story is more interesting considering he’s probably the guy in this American generation that has the best chance of winning a slam, but is also the worst athlete in his family.
Posted by Dr RC
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Posted on 1/21/23 at 12:06 pm to
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I know him personally. He was a hell of a Qb before he quit and easily was going D1 in football


6'4 190 at age 12 and he was dominating PeeWee football?

NO shite????!?!?!?!!?? THATS INCREDIBLE!!!! NO 6'4 12 year old has EVER torn up PeeWee like THIS guy!!!!
This post was edited on 1/21/23 at 12:07 pm
Posted by lsupride87
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Posted on 1/21/23 at 12:07 pm to
Actually, Ben Shelton was ranked 122 in the state of Florida for Boys 14s

LINK

But yeh, not that big of a deal
This post was edited on 1/21/23 at 12:08 pm
Posted by Dawgsontop34
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Posted on 1/21/23 at 12:08 pm to
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He's closer to Charlie Woods than Tiger Woods. But he's knock-off brand


Calling him a knock off brand Charlie Woods when he’s won an NCAA Championship and is already about to reach the top 50 in the world is absurd.
Posted by lsupride87
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Posted on 1/21/23 at 12:09 pm to
122 in Floridia in 2015

Top 50 in world in 2022

Charlie woods
Posted by Dawgsontop34
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Posted on 1/21/23 at 12:21 pm to
I think it’s definitely an absurd rise, but obviously having a father at that level helps if you’re not going to play competitive tennis at an early age (which is absurdly rare in tennis).

Having a 140mph left handed serve also helps
Posted by shel311
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Posted on 1/21/23 at 12:23 pm to
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Then why mention it?
He literally answered this in the statement you quoted.
Posted by shel311
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Posted on 1/21/23 at 12:26 pm to
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No it's not at 13 years old.
Can you rattle off a few names of current pros in men's tennis who fit this bill?
Posted by shel311
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Posted on 1/21/23 at 12:34 pm to
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This is so dumb

So because I acknowledge something is a reality, that’s “focusing” on it? You acknowledge it just as much as I do

That's the funny part. Yes, you did mention it as 1 part of your entire premise. But now others can't stop talking about only that while complaining about you talking about race.

The other funny thing is, I'd guess some of those same people love to call out the media for bringing race into stories where it's not relevant, while disagreeing with you saying the media will bring race into his story, which is not relevant.
Posted by Roscoe
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Posted on 1/21/23 at 1:34 pm to
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es he had picked up a racket before.

His first year playing full time he was ranked 80 in Florida at 13 to give you perspective

So to go from 80th in the state of Florida to top 50 in the world in 7 years is unprecedented.

At 13, the normal player who will break top 50 in the world would be roughly too 20 in the world junior rankings for his age

Clearly his raw talent and genes are a huge part of how there even possible


Again, your OP said he started at 13. That's factually incorrect. Every article I have read, and there's a lot now, says he started at a very young age. Every article mentions football being his first passion, but that he decided to dedicate himself full time to tennis at age 12. That, again, is very different from starting to play at 13.

The fact that he started 80 in Florida in 14s is irrelevant to me. Again, his dad was a USTA National coach. Then national championshp coach at GT, then UF. I have no doubt tha his son was in and around the National Training facilities and the GT and UF tennis facilities growing up, and hitting with elite talent all the time. Maybe his dad didn't feel it was necessary for his son to go "point chasing" on the USTA junior circuit, and, for that reason, his rankings were low to start with. Maybe they couldn't do the tournament every weekend with his dad having to travel like he did for his work. Maybe his dad felt like he had a better path for "junior development." Maybe his dad also felt like it wasn't going to be necssary for him to do the 12's/14's circuit, where there ends up being a lot of burn out down the road, since he was oing to have connections to college coaches down the road regardless because of his dad.

I see he won USTA Level 1 events in 16's and 18's. That doesn't happen with someone who "just starts playing a 13" and it didn't in this case.

All that said, the kid is pretty good and looks like he has a great future. Wish he would tone down the junior "fist pumping" in the direction of the opponent and child like screaming/flexing.
Posted by lsupride87
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Posted on 1/21/23 at 1:59 pm to
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I see he won USTA Level 1 events in 16's and 18's. That doesn't happen with someone who "just starts playing a 13" and it didn't in this case.
Im not trying to be a dickhead because I know you are a tennis fan, but you are clueless here

To be ranked 122 in 14s, and then be able to turn that around and win a level 1 event by 16 is absolutely ridiculous. You can say “you don’t care”, and that’s fine you don’t care, but it’s astonishing to anyone who has any familiarity with junior tennis

You are trying to dismiss it away by saying “well he was elite he just didn’t chase points”. No man, why don’t you go loom some more. Go look at his records from those years . He would play in level 5 and level 6 tournaments and get beat routinely once he started playing at 13 competively. He wasn’t good. At all. Know how I know? I was around helping coach juniors at that time….

That level of improvement at that age and that period of time is hard to fathom for people who have played high level tennis or are around it regardless how talented one is or who there parents are

And then to go from playing court 4 on your college team, to top 50 in the world in 2 years is equally as hard to fathom

That just doesn’t happen. It’s absurd

You really realize how full of shite this website is when you start a thread with something you truly actually Know about
This post was edited on 1/21/23 at 2:17 pm
Posted by Roscoe
Member since Sep 2007
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Posted on 1/21/23 at 3:35 pm to
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Im not trying to be a dickhead because I know you are a tennis fan, but you are clueless here


I know who you are, what your tennis accomplishments were at CHS, Memphis, and then LSU.

I played juniors, competitively, just like you and had very similar results and rankings as you did - just a tad bit lower, but not by much. I had the opportunity to play at smaller D1 schools, but I passed as I was burned out from all the southern.tournaments from 12s-16s and had full ride academically to the college of my choice. My two main junior coaches both ended up leaving my hometown to be the head coach at D 1 programs - one SEC and one ACC (top 10 program). Bottom line - I am very familiar with junior and college tennis. I’m sure there are others on this thread who played competitively, as you and I did, but for some reason, you always seem to act like the absolutely and only “know it all” when it comes to all things tennis.

Honestly, I didn’t go look at his boys 12/14 results and really don’t care too. Sure, to go from losing L5 and 6s to winning a L1 in a year or two is impressive. But all of that happened in one - two years. That tells me he had an incredible foundation when he decided to dedicate himself full time at the age of 12s AND the training opportunity that almost no one else in that position has. That’s how he was able to do what he did. That’s why this usually doesn’t happen.

As far as him playing 4 at Florida, to going top 50 in 2 years, yes, that’s impressive. But if I remember, when he came in, that roster was loaded with highly rated recruits returning from prior years and his dad was the coach. Maybe he was a tad lower in the lineup than he should have been. Regardless, he was a top 10 national player going into college, signed with one of the top programs in the college and was a national college champion.

All that said, where he is today, based on his last 3-4 years of results is not absolute shocking. The “story” to me is the leap and improvement he made from 14s to 16s.
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 1/21/23 at 3:42 pm to
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The “story” to me is the leap and improvement he made from 14s to 16s.
well yeh, that’s absolutely the most shocking part. That’s kinda my entire point. One shouldn’t be able to go from where he was at 13 years old and turn into what he did. It’s just not a progression you are ever used to seeing in tennis. As you should know, that mountain and that point is so steep

If we would have looked at him at 13 together, we would have said 0.0% shot he makes it to a pro level. Regardless of who is parents were

The conversation at the time was “I I wonder if Bryan’s boy will be able to play college now that he is playing tennis seriously……”

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All that said, where he is today, based on his last 3-4 years of results is not absolute shocking
i mean he is still also the youngest player ever to win 3 consecutive atp events. That’s fairly “shocking”

And it’s really cute of you to out me with your post with not wanting to offer Anthony about yourself .
This post was edited on 1/21/23 at 3:50 pm
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Posted on 1/21/23 at 4:19 pm to
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