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re: ATL Thread 8/2 | Phillies (frick) vs Braves (Strider)
Posted on 8/2/22 at 4:25 pm to SteelerBravesDawg
Posted on 8/2/22 at 4:25 pm to SteelerBravesDawg
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Musgrove vs.Wright is at worst a push.
Hmmm
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Posted on 8/2/22 at 4:25 pm to SteelerBravesDawg
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I'd take Fried over Darvish and Musgrove vs.Wright is at worst a push.
Sure, but it's close.
Meanwhile, I'd take the Padres offense right now over the Braves.
Posted on 8/2/22 at 4:28 pm to Broski
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No, but you can't assume the other side of it either.
Rather, if you do assume the other side, it's just as relevant as someone assuming the opposite.
I'll stick with the numbers for this season when I'm arguing something strictly on this season.
Ok, you're free to do that as you wish. When it comes to assumptions, it's more logical, in my view, to go with historical trends, rather than recent ones. My argument is from the historical perspective, in that I think players will progress/regress to the mean.
These two teams (I know it was different rosters, but the point is the same) were viewed very differently at this time last year, both from a talent perspective, and from their respective places in the standings. Things changed in a hurry.
We'll see how it plays out, this time around.
Posted on 8/2/22 at 4:28 pm to Metaloctopus
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I'm not really high on Drury, as his career arc would suggest he is playing well over his head, and leaving the Great American Launchpad will not do him any favors.
This is a good point. Going from Coors East to San Diego is a pretty big difference.
Listening to Chuck and Chernoff talk about future Braves payroll gave me an idea. They both think the Braves might live in the $200-$210M range. With a bunch of money coming off the books, they could go big on a shortstop. If they go that route and lock up Swanson or Trea Turner long term, there wouldn't be a future here for Grissom. Attaching him to Ozuna would be a perfect way to get out of that contract in this scenario.
Posted on 8/2/22 at 4:30 pm to VADawg
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there wouldn't be a future here for Grissom
I wouldn't go that far. His bat is so good but still so raw, you could very easily turn him into a quality utility IF or corner OF.
Posted on 8/2/22 at 4:33 pm to VADawg
They are giving their young studs $20m or less, then going to turn around and bring a guy in from the outside and pay him $30m a year if not closer to $35m? I think they would rather just do Dansby on a Baez type deal
Posted on 8/2/22 at 4:33 pm to VADawg
I love Dansby, but give me TT every day of the week.
Posted on 8/2/22 at 4:33 pm to TrussvilleTide
It's close either way. Thus why I said it's a push.
Posted on 8/2/22 at 4:34 pm to VADawg
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This is a good point. Going from Coors East to San Diego is a pretty big difference.
Listening to Chuck and Chernoff talk about future Braves payroll gave me an idea. They both think the Braves might live in the $200-$210M range. With a bunch of money coming off the books, they could go big on a shortstop. If they go that route and lock up Swanson or Trea Turner long term, there wouldn't be a future here for Grissom. Attaching him to Ozuna would be a perfect way to get out of that contract in this scenario.
I'm hoping they do either lock up Swanson, or Turner, or maybe Correa, if he opts out, and groom Grissom as an outfielder. He's a good athlete, but I've heard his play at short is not phenomenal. He should fit in left field and be ready to take over in the next year or two.
Posted on 8/2/22 at 4:35 pm to SteelerBravesDawg
Ok
Posted on 8/2/22 at 4:35 pm to Metaloctopus
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Correa
No, thanks.
Posted on 8/2/22 at 4:37 pm to sorantable
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No, thanks.
He's my third choice, but if the first two fall through, what do you propose? I don't think Grissom stays at short, though he could if he had to.
Posted on 8/2/22 at 4:41 pm to Metaloctopus
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He's my third choice, but if the first two fall through, what do you propose?
He would be an expensive third choice. I’d go dumpster diving like AA is now.
Posted on 8/2/22 at 4:42 pm to TrussvilleTide
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I think they would rather just do Dansby on a Baez type deal
Takes two to tango. Baez and Trevor Story got the same contract and I believe Dansby is going to aim a little higher than that. Turner is leaving LA. I think Dansby will be in play there.
Also, I know a lot of people think the agency thing won't be a big deal, but I get the sense that the end of Freeman negotiations were a lot uglier than we know, and the language Casey Close used when he filed his lawsuit against Doug Gottlieb is what points me in that direction. I don't believe Dansby will be back.
Posted on 8/2/22 at 4:42 pm to sorantable
Maybe you could get Bogaerts or Dansby to take a Correa type deal for 3 years. Not the exact figures, but the structure. I think Turner is coming out of free agency with 7 or 8 years.
Posted on 8/2/22 at 4:43 pm to sorantable
It's just feels like such a missed opportunity that we haven't moved any or all of Elder, Davidson and Tarnok.
Posted on 8/2/22 at 4:44 pm to sorantable
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He would be an expensive third choice. I’d go dumpster diving like AA is now.
I don't think he's had the type of year to get the money you might think he's going to get. And dumpster diving isn't going to help the team long term. I would not like that strategy.
Posted on 8/2/22 at 4:44 pm to VADawg
The one thing that we have going for us regarding Dansby is that he is family-oriented as frick and is obsessed with Atlanta.
Posted on 8/2/22 at 4:44 pm to VADawg
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Also, I know a lot of people think the agency thing won't be a big deal, but I get the sense that the end of Freeman negotiations were a lot uglier than we know, and the language Casey Close used when he filed his lawsuit against Doug Gottlieb is what points me in that direction. I don't believe Dansby will be back.
Dansby was also clearly more impacted by Freddie leaving more than some other players. I don’t know if the team did it, but Dansby wanted to leave his locker empty.
Posted on 8/2/22 at 4:45 pm to Metaloctopus
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He's my third choice, but if the first two fall through, what do you propose?
Correa is one hell of a player, but he has a history of back problems. In my mind, that automatically eliminates anything more than a 2 year deal for him. I don't think he'll take that. Otherwise, he'll just opt in with Minnesota.
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