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re: ATL Thread | offseason hot takes + discussion
Posted on 1/14/23 at 6:13 pm to Broski
Posted on 1/14/23 at 6:13 pm to Broski
It’s not this simple but there’s an argument that by not resigning Freddie in order to save money and get younger that we actually accomplished neither.
We got younger at 1B and older at C.
From a cost perspective, Freddie / Langliers / Contreras is cheaper than Olson / Murphy (at least for a few years).
From a production perspective, it’s probably pretty close.
If we resign Freeman then we still have or could have used the below in another trade (and all are controllable)
- Pache
- Langliers
- Mueller
- Contreras
I wasn’t convinced at the time we should resign Freddie, but it’s looking more and more obvious that we should have and that by not signing him it set off a domino effect that has significantly reduced our remaining assets.
Be interesting to look back on these guys in a couple of years.
We got younger at 1B and older at C.
From a cost perspective, Freddie / Langliers / Contreras is cheaper than Olson / Murphy (at least for a few years).
From a production perspective, it’s probably pretty close.
If we resign Freeman then we still have or could have used the below in another trade (and all are controllable)
- Pache
- Langliers
- Mueller
- Contreras
I wasn’t convinced at the time we should resign Freddie, but it’s looking more and more obvious that we should have and that by not signing him it set off a domino effect that has significantly reduced our remaining assets.
Be interesting to look back on these guys in a couple of years.
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Posted on 1/14/23 at 6:19 pm to POCKET
I think in the long run, letting Freddie walk will hurt more because it meant we had to part with Langeliers than actually letting Freddie walk.
We essentially traded Freddie and Langeliers for Olson. I don't think we won that deal.
We essentially traded Freddie and Langeliers for Olson. I don't think we won that deal.
This post was edited on 1/14/23 at 6:20 pm
Posted on 1/15/23 at 1:16 pm to Broski
International signing period opened today and here is who we got:
Luis Guanipa, OF, Venezuela
John Estevez, OF, Dominican Republic
Whilmer Guerra, RHP, Dominican Republic
Johan Ramos, RHP, Dominican Republic
Carlos Cordero, SS, Dominican Republic
Luis Guanipa, OF, Venezuela
John Estevez, OF, Dominican Republic
Whilmer Guerra, RHP, Dominican Republic
Johan Ramos, RHP, Dominican Republic
Carlos Cordero, SS, Dominican Republic
Posted on 1/15/23 at 2:39 pm to LSUJockStrap
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Well we got our SS
Sarcasm?
Posted on 1/15/23 at 3:39 pm to Broski
You guys are crazy if you don’t think we upgraded but you guys simply refuse to see it. You’ll still be complaining about losing these minor leaguers as if they are sure things when they become organizational depth. Crying about Langeliers, Pache, Contreras types is just funny to me. AA kept the guys from the farm he wanted to keep, ie. Harris, Strider, Grissom, Shawver, and Owen Murphy.
You guys just seem way to emotional about Freddie signing with LA. It was Freddies’s choice. He left the Braves the Braves didn’t leave him. Same with Dansby. They both had offers and didn’t sign. And we talked about this long ago, and I’ll be here to revisit it, but I bet at the end of this coming season the stats from the Cubs SS position and Braves SS position won’t be much different and certainly won’t be 25 million worth of difference.
You guys just seem way to emotional about Freddie signing with LA. It was Freddies’s choice. He left the Braves the Braves didn’t leave him. Same with Dansby. They both had offers and didn’t sign. And we talked about this long ago, and I’ll be here to revisit it, but I bet at the end of this coming season the stats from the Cubs SS position and Braves SS position won’t be much different and certainly won’t be 25 million worth of difference.
Posted on 1/15/23 at 4:27 pm to RunningJacket
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You guys are crazy if you don’t think we upgraded
The spots where we upgraded had nothing to do with what we are talking about. Meaning, we would've still upgraded in those spots whether Freddie re-signs or not. I'm not saying we didn't upgrade at certain spots or even as a team as a whole.
However, we didn't upgrade at first base and we downgraded in our farm immensely.
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losing these minor leaguers
Langeliers isn't a minor leaguer.
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You guys just seem way to emotional about Freddie signing with LA. It was Freddies’s choice.
*sigh*
1) it was both parties choice to handle it the way they did. I blame both the Braves FO and Freddie for how that all went down.
2) If you can't see the chain reaction that took place since that, I don't know what to tell you.
Posted on 1/15/23 at 6:37 pm to Broski
Ok then regarding Langeliers. If you are seriously losing sleep about losing him then that’s on you. Same with all the other guys we traded. To say we downgraded our farm system is just throwing crap against the wall to find something to complain about. Should we have kept Strider, Harris, and Grissom down all year so our farm would have been higher ranked? It is simply silly to talk about a downgraded farm system. Farm systems exist to be downgraded. That’s literally their purpose.
With AA locking up our young core for years he has plenty of time to rebuild.
the farm. He’ll do what he always does and draft pitcher after pitcher and our rankings will rise year to year. Our rankings our low right now because our farm has become our major league club - Acuna, Álbies, Riley, Wright, Strider, Soroka, Harris, Grissom, Olson (via Langeliers/Pache), Murphy (via Contreras/Mueller), Fried, etc.
I’m trying to be argumentative, but acting like not giving the house to Freeman was a huge mistake is ridiculous. In my view, Olson is a better long term play than Freddie. Swanson is easily replaceable and the Cubs will loathe that contract by June. And we’ll spend the next 2 years talking about Fried when we already know the Braves aren’t going to keep him. And they shouldn’t because you don’t cripple a franchise for a pitcher.
With AA locking up our young core for years he has plenty of time to rebuild.
the farm. He’ll do what he always does and draft pitcher after pitcher and our rankings will rise year to year. Our rankings our low right now because our farm has become our major league club - Acuna, Álbies, Riley, Wright, Strider, Soroka, Harris, Grissom, Olson (via Langeliers/Pache), Murphy (via Contreras/Mueller), Fried, etc.
I’m trying to be argumentative, but acting like not giving the house to Freeman was a huge mistake is ridiculous. In my view, Olson is a better long term play than Freddie. Swanson is easily replaceable and the Cubs will loathe that contract by June. And we’ll spend the next 2 years talking about Fried when we already know the Braves aren’t going to keep him. And they shouldn’t because you don’t cripple a franchise for a pitcher.
Posted on 1/15/23 at 6:44 pm to RunningJacket
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If you are seriously losing sleep about losing him then that’s on you
Lol wut?
So no one can talk about losing Langeliers on any level?
I mean my god dude.
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With AA locking up our young core for years he has plenty of time to rebuild.
the farm.
But you're missing the point. It has nothing to do with rebuilding the farm, that's a constant process. My point is that we had to part with a huge chunk of our farm because we had to replace Freddie. We lost one of our biggest pieces in Langeliers because of that, which meant we had to regroup at catcher, and had to spend the last of our farm for Murphy.
Not sure what you don't understand.
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but acting like not giving the house to Freeman was a huge mistake is ridiculous
When did I say give the house to Freddie? I already mentioned that what we would've paid him had the FO and Freddie acted like adults would've been a bargain.
Stop creating all these weird strawmans just because you don't like someone pointing out a scenario that we could've handle better. It doesn't mean I'm shitting on the team.
If you can't handle a viewpoint different than yours, I don't know what to tell you.
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And we’ll spend the next 2 years talking about Fried when we already know the Braves aren’t going to keep him. And they shouldn’t because you don’t cripple a franchise for a pitcher.
So who in your estimation should we replace Fried with?
This post was edited on 1/15/23 at 6:52 pm
Posted on 1/15/23 at 7:29 pm to LSUJockStrap
Or it’ll be Kevin Maitán
Posted on 1/15/23 at 9:32 pm to Broski
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who said he would've taken less to stay
Did he?
Posted on 1/15/23 at 10:28 pm to Hailstate15
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Did he?
We talking about Dansby?
AA said Dansby would've taken less to stay.
Posted on 1/15/23 at 11:18 pm to Broski
If true thats just absolutely terrible
Posted on 1/15/23 at 11:20 pm to Hailstate15
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If true thats just absolutely terrible
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“But I will say this: Dansby made every effort to find a way to stay in Atlanta. We had conversations in the summer,” said Anthopoulos, h/t CBS Sports. “He was willing to take a lot less than what he got. That’s important. But we have to manage in our minds short term and long term, and we have to make sure we have enough payroll to allocate a full 26. He deserves everything he got, but at a certain point, it doesn’t make sense for us. It’s hard because you’re losing a phenomenal human being and a phenomenal player.”
Why AA said that, I will never understand. Literally the whole fanbase was fine letting Dansby go, assuming we would've had to pay him what the Cubs paid. Instead, he says that and it just makes us look poor as shite.
This post was edited on 1/15/23 at 11:22 pm
Posted on 1/15/23 at 11:58 pm to Broski
Goddamn AA is sounds clueless as frick. Why would you announce that for fans? If Dans has a great run over the next few years it will make him look really bad.
Posted on 1/16/23 at 5:23 am to Broski
Probably said it to cover dansby so he didn't get any hate from fans for being greedy or chasing the money.
End of the day I don't think AA wanted him back, regardless of money. Which is weird, but probably has to do with some analytics I'd bet.
End of the day I don't think AA wanted him back, regardless of money. Which is weird, but probably has to do with some analytics I'd bet.
Posted on 1/16/23 at 10:16 pm to K9
For anyone interested.
Posted on 1/18/23 at 6:29 am to Dale Murphy
Duvall to Boston
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Free Agent Outfielder Adam Duvall is in agreement with the Boston Red Sox. The deal is 1 year $7 million Dollars. Performance bonuses could get the deal up to $10 million dollars per source.
This post was edited on 1/18/23 at 6:42 am
Posted on 1/18/23 at 7:08 am to Broski
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Why AA said that, I will never understand. Literally the whole fanbase was fine letting Dansby go, assuming we would've had to pay him what the Cubs paid. Instead, he says that and it just makes us look poor as shite.
No dude we have tons of money just ask the Pittsburgh/Atlanta fan
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