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re: ATL Thread | 2023 offseason hot takes + discussion
Posted on 12/11/23 at 2:11 pm to sorantable
Posted on 12/11/23 at 2:11 pm to sorantable
Tui is a good dude.
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Posted on 12/11/23 at 3:09 pm to Broski
I bet the Braves facebook groups are in shambles that we didn't get Ohtani based on one rumor tweet that we were "involved"
Posted on 12/11/23 at 3:10 pm to Broski
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Tui is a good dude.
Good move to bring him up. Wonder if he'll end up being a darkhorse to take over for Snit down the road.
Note, I said darkhorse. Once you get past the obvious candidates like Weiss, David Ross, etc that folks will predict, Tui seems like an internal organizational-type name to watch.
Posted on 12/11/23 at 4:21 pm to sorantable
I like that Weiss is gonna oversee the infield.
Posted on 12/12/23 at 10:21 am to 21zereaux
Is AA going to get a good starter or not? He missed out on Nola/Gray. I don’t see them going after Yamamoto. You have Snell/Montgomery, and after that it really seems to fall off. I personally would have preferred Gray out of any of them, but at this point I am not sure if they get any of them. The rolling out with some AAA pitchers every 3-5 days was enough to get to the playoffs last season, but it doesn’t mean shite once you get there.
Posted on 12/12/23 at 10:23 am to 21zereaux
And the Braves got dicked down on the Stassi deal.
https://apnews.com/article/stassi-braves-angels-trade-3353608a9fff3f7203f9fbf702e06d54
https://apnews.com/article/stassi-braves-angels-trade-3353608a9fff3f7203f9fbf702e06d54
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The Atlanta Braves are sending $6.26 million to the White Sox along with Max Stassi, covering all of what the catcher is owed next year except for the $740,000 major league minimum salary. Stassi was traded to the White Sox on Saturday, one day after the catcher was acquired by the Braves in a deal with the Los Angeles Angels. Chicago will send Atlanta a player to be named or $100,000. Stassi, 32, did not play this season. He strained his left hip in spring training, and the team said on Sept. 9 that while he was capable of resuming baseball activities, he would miss the rest of the season because of a serious family medical issue.
Posted on 12/12/23 at 10:25 am to 21zereaux
Feel like our only hope is a trade. Maybe Burnes or Beiber?
Posted on 12/12/23 at 12:48 pm to K9
Fried. Strider. Morton. Elder. Lopez/AAA guy.
There are worse rotations. I’m trying to be positive.
There are worse rotations. I’m trying to be positive.
Posted on 12/12/23 at 1:35 pm to 21zereaux
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And the Braves got dicked down on the Stassi deal. LINK quote: The Atlanta Braves are sending $6.26 million to the White Sox along with Max Stassi, covering
I’d be interested to see what the totals are factoring in the money on the original deal with Seattle and the subsequent trades with Pittsburgh, the Angels and White Sox.
As I recall, the Braves got $4.5 million with White, Gonzalez and Kelenic from Seattle.
I understood that they sent the Seattle cash, and added some (?) themselves, to Pittsburgh with Gonazalez.
The sent White’s $17 million to the Angels and took on $21.5 million back with Stassi and Fletcher
They then sent $6.26 million to the White Sox with Stassi which costs $8.89 mil on luxury tax.
Some am I correct to say that the “net” is
Kelenic & Fletcher in 24 = $6 mil (fletcher) + 6.26 (Stassi) + $3? Mil (Gonzalez) + $5? Mil (tax) + ?? (Kelenic pre arb) = $20 mil
Posted on 12/12/23 at 2:08 pm to lsusa
Dodgers public enemy #1. I'd rather the Mets and Phillies play in the NLCS and one of them win the WS than the Dodgers to even make the playoffs.
I'm sure I'm the only one that feels that way, but they're the new Yankees, only more detestable.
I'm sure I'm the only one that feels that way, but they're the new Yankees, only more detestable.
Posted on 12/12/23 at 2:10 pm to 21zereaux
You guys worrying about our starters now is funny? Where were you when Strider was our only guy who showed up for the playoffs - when the games actually mattered and you made excuses for Morton and Fried?
Why should AA go out there and make some financially bad deal to sign someone or trade for someone when the pitchers we had under contract on a 104 win team didn’t even show up.
And the melt will be heavy when Fried signs with the Dodgers and you guys will attack AA because he didn’t want to mortgage the future for a no show player.
Why should AA go out there and make some financially bad deal to sign someone or trade for someone when the pitchers we had under contract on a 104 win team didn’t even show up.
And the melt will be heavy when Fried signs with the Dodgers and you guys will attack AA because he didn’t want to mortgage the future for a no show player.
Posted on 12/12/23 at 3:35 pm to RunningJacket
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RunningJacket
You still think Vaughn is a better SS than Dansby IYO?
Posted on 12/12/23 at 3:59 pm to lsusa
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I’d be interested to see what the totals are factoring in the money on the original deal with Seattle and the subsequent trades with Pittsburgh, the Angels and White Sox.
As I recall, the Braves got $4.5 million with White, Gonzalez and Kelenic from Seattle.
I understood that they sent the Seattle cash, and added some (?) themselves, to Pittsburgh with Gonazalez.
The sent White’s $17 million to the Angels and took on $21.5 million back with Stassi and Fletcher
They then sent $6.26 million to the White Sox with Stassi which costs $8.89 mil on luxury tax.
Some am I correct to say that the “net” is
Kelenic & Fletcher in 24 = $6 mil (fletcher) + 6.26 (Stassi) + $3? Mil (Gonzalez) + $5? Mil (tax) + ?? (Kelenic pre arb) = $20 mil
I would have rather just have seen them keep Nicky Lopez as the utility guy and move Grissom to left. They over-complicated what could have been so simple.
Posted on 12/12/23 at 4:22 pm to 21zereaux
Still time to make a move, but it just seems weird that we cleared 10 40-man spots and haven’t made a major move.
Posted on 12/12/23 at 4:29 pm to Broski
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Still time to make a move, but it just seems weird that we cleared 10 40-man spots and haven’t made a major move.
Agreed.
Posted on 12/12/23 at 4:30 pm to SteelerBravesDawg
For the money they are both making - heck yes. If I wanted to watch a SS make millions to add nothing to the team then I’d be a Cubs fan. Obviously, I prefer to watch pitchers making millions do nothing - hence I’m a Braves fan.
Posted on 12/12/23 at 4:32 pm to RunningJacket
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Obviously, I prefer to watch pitchers making millions do nothing - hence I’m a Braves fan.
I appreciate gallows humor, so that was pretty funny IMO.
Posted on 12/12/23 at 4:47 pm to RunningJacket
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For the money they are both making - heck yes
glad you aren't a scout. Grissom is in no way a SS. That should have been made obvious last season.
Posted on 12/12/23 at 4:54 pm to 21zereaux
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I would have rather just have seen them keep Nicky Lopez as the utility guy and move Grissom to left. They over-complicated what could have been so simple.
Here’s what the guy in MLB trade rumors said about - note: he just threw it in the original question was about Yammato.
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Steve Adams 1:23 The Braves continue to demonstrate over and over that they have minimal appetite for the type of long-term free agent deal that Yamamoto will command. If there's anyone to make an exception for, it's the 25-year-old FA ace, but I don't think it'll happen. Also, their convoluted sequence of Kelenic/Stassi/Fletcher trades pushed them into the second luxury tier, so any deal to which they sign Yamamoto would be taxed at an extra 42% under the CBT.
Side note: I do not understand the Braves' sequence of trades, which added about $31MM to the payroll all for the sake of swapping out Nicky Lopez for a worse/more expensive version of the same skill set (David Fletcher) and rolling the dice on Kelenic. I wrote about that at far greater length for Trade Rumors Front Office subscribers today (cheap plug)
Fwiw, I hadn’t seen this when I made my post either…interesting to see others are questioning it. I also noticed he says $31 million. I guess that’s going back to the first WS trade.
Posted on 12/12/23 at 4:59 pm to lsusa
That's what doesn't make any sense about the moves this offseason, we cleared all this space that we still need to fill, but our CBT didn't get any better.
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