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Posted on 4/25/17 at 10:40 am to shel311
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Know how i know you're too biased to have this discussion?
Nostalgia is some powerful stuff smh. As annoying as LeBron fan boys are, the out and out deifying of MJ is absurd.
Posted on 4/25/17 at 10:42 am to shel311
He's top 5 all time but he'll never be number 1. He's literally had a cakewalk his entire career to the Finals. Last year was probably his best performance. If he can do that against the Warriors a few more times over the next few years then maybe. But that's not happening.
In many cases perception is reality and Lebrons public perception is that he is bitch made and a primadonna. He did it to himself.
In many cases perception is reality and Lebrons public perception is that he is bitch made and a primadonna. He did it to himself.
This post was edited on 4/25/17 at 10:43 am
Posted on 4/25/17 at 10:45 am to UnluckyTiger
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He's top 5 all time but he'll never be number 1. He's literally had a cakewalk his entire career to the Finals
Is that his fault no one wants to play in the East to get bounced in the first round? Watch where Paul George goes.
Posted on 4/25/17 at 10:45 am to UnluckyTiger
quote:I know we're talking about something that'll never happen, but let's be honest...if Lebron gives us game 5-7 Lebron "a few more times" he'll certainly overtake MJ at that point, not sure why you'd put a "maybe" on that.
If he can do that against the Warriors a few more times over the next few years then maybe
Posted on 4/25/17 at 10:45 am to StlPoke
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If LeBron wins 5 titles, and loses 5 times in finals. Would it have been better if he lost in the ECF instead in 3 of those years?
I don't think losing in the finals is a knock.
But 6-0 in the finals is bettter than 5-5 in the finals. That's not the only thing to judge a player on but without question 6-0 is better than 5-5. LeBron would even tell you that.
Posted on 4/25/17 at 10:46 am to shel311
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Archibald for sure.
Tiny retired a year after leaving the Celtics. Let's not act like he was at his peak during Birds rookie year.
Posted on 4/25/17 at 10:46 am to Goldrush25
quote:It's just odd that Lebron does what he needs to do, beat the teams he should beat. Why would we count that as a negative?
Is that his fault no one wants to play in the East to get bounced in the first round? Watch where Paul George goes.
Also, if you moved him over to the West for his entire career and keep all other teams the same, he likely still has right around 3 titles, with just less trips to the Finals. So he'd end up being 3 for 3 or something like that.
Posted on 4/25/17 at 10:46 am to SPEEDY
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I think Lebron's legacy will change once he retires and people look back and reflect on his entire career and what he accomplished and all the records he set. I think he will begin to get more credit than he does now. It will still be a subjective argument.
The only thing that can't be argued or disputed is that he is an all-time great.
Pretty much this. Also, their production looks different so its hard to make a direct comparison. Jordan won TEN scoring titles and LeBron only won one. Jordan was better at scoring, but LeBron has a more well-rounded game, getting more assists and rebounds. But Jordan still has the highest PER of all-time, and LeBron's will likely go down when he enters his decline phase.
I think the level of Jordan's dominance over the league was great than LeBron's, which makes me favor Jordan. But we also don't know how the rest of LeBron's career will play out. But if we go by the level of dominance argument, that introduces Wilt to the conversation.
Posted on 4/25/17 at 10:47 am to Kracka
quote:Ok....Ricky Davis.
Tiny retired a year after leaving the Celtics. Let's not act like he was at his peak during Birds rookie year.
That's all I gotta say, Ricky Davis.
Posted on 4/25/17 at 10:47 am to tigerskin
when he magically erases his 4 finals losses that jordan never had.
when he doesn't leave 2 teams to chase titles with super teams
when he doesn't leave 2 teams to chase titles with super teams
Posted on 4/25/17 at 10:47 am to tigerskin
Never.....
Posted on 4/25/17 at 10:53 am to dabigfella
quote:6-4 would be far greater than 6-0. Like exponentially greater
when he magically erases his 4 finals losses that jordan never had.
Posted on 4/25/17 at 10:58 am to tigerskin
Jordan is the best of my lifetime. Lebron is in the conversation and could potentially make a strong argument with a few more rings.
I think Lebron's best may be better than Jordan's best. However, Lebron has had a few moments of shrinking in certain situations or not taking over when he should. The overall resume for Jordan is currently much stronger.
I think Lebron's best may be better than Jordan's best. However, Lebron has had a few moments of shrinking in certain situations or not taking over when he should. The overall resume for Jordan is currently much stronger.
Posted on 4/25/17 at 10:59 am to Baloo
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But Jordan still has the highest PER of all-time
By like .3 or something. It's a razor thin margin, but also very tough to overcome since we still have to figure in Lebron's decline as you said.
But if he has some kind of unforeseen resurgence for a couple of years, he could overtake MJ's PER. Highly unlike though.
Posted on 4/25/17 at 11:00 am to tigerskin
I won't get there. LeBron left the team that drafted him and had behind closed door conversations to create a "super" team.
He quit on his team against the Magic, and the owner, who now loves him again, said it himself. It was too hard for him, so he left. What did Jordan do when it was tough and he couldn't beat the Pistons?
He went to Miami, and admittedly won titles, but when the big 3 started, he had 2 of the top 5, and 3 of the top 15 players in the game on his team, as Bosh was a top 15 player when he left Toronto.
When he came back to Cleveland, he joined Irving and had the front office bring Love in. I certainly don't blame him for wanting to get the best team on the floor, everyone should. They lost to a great GS team, and won last year.
When other hall of famers talk about Jordan, you realize how special he was.
LINK
The 31 minute mark there Drexler Robinson and Coach K talk about how he never slept and was superhuman.
He quit on his team against the Magic, and the owner, who now loves him again, said it himself. It was too hard for him, so he left. What did Jordan do when it was tough and he couldn't beat the Pistons?
He went to Miami, and admittedly won titles, but when the big 3 started, he had 2 of the top 5, and 3 of the top 15 players in the game on his team, as Bosh was a top 15 player when he left Toronto.
When he came back to Cleveland, he joined Irving and had the front office bring Love in. I certainly don't blame him for wanting to get the best team on the floor, everyone should. They lost to a great GS team, and won last year.
When other hall of famers talk about Jordan, you realize how special he was.
LINK
The 31 minute mark there Drexler Robinson and Coach K talk about how he never slept and was superhuman.
Posted on 4/25/17 at 11:05 am to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
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As Larry Bird said, you can't compare eras, you can only compare success.
I know it's out of date for Lebron, but if you're crowning someone based on success, Bill Russell is the undisputed GOAT.
Posted on 4/25/17 at 11:12 am to Buckeye06
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He went to Miami, and admittedly won titles, but when the big 3 started, he had 2 of the top 5, and 3 of the top 15 players in the game on his team, as Bosh was a top 15 player when he left Toronto.
Do we have to continuously underrate what MJ had when he began to win titles?
Posted on 4/25/17 at 11:17 am to Buckeye06
quote:Quite literally has no bearing on how good of a player he is.
LeBron left the team that drafted him and had behind closed door conversations to create a "super" team.
quote:I've officially heard it all on Lebron with this take. Lebron averaged 39/8/8 in that series
He quit on his team against the Magic
quote:Look above at the numbers he put up, ya don't say it was too hard for him!
It was too hard for him, so he left.
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