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Posted on 10/13/09 at 10:24 am to emmanuellewis
quote:That sounds like an excuse to me, as well as an unintended shot at the NBA.
He doesn't excuse Jay-Z... it boils down to the fact that there will not be an uproar in the nba, whereas there will be in the nfl.
Posted on 10/13/09 at 10:33 am to alajones
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That sounds like an excuse to me, as well as an unintended shot at the NBA.
Has there been an uproar about Jay-Z being a minority owner? I have never heard of it if so. There is obviously some controversy to Rush Limbaugh partially owning an NFL team.
And as a poster pointed out early in the thread, there is a difference between what a rapper and a political commentator says. They should not carry equal weight.
Posted on 10/13/09 at 10:35 am to emmanuellewis
quote:That is the point. It is a double standard.
Has there been an uproar about Jay-Z being a minority owner? I have never heard of it if so. There is obviously some controversy to Rush Limbaugh partially owning an NFL team.
And as a poster pointed out early in the thread, there is a difference between what a rapper and a political commentator says. They should not carry equal weight.
Posted on 10/13/09 at 10:40 am to alajones
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That is the point. It is a double standard.
Double standard in a good way.
Musicians, whether Jay-z dropping the N-bomb, or Garth Brooks talking about getting drunk all the time should not have what they say taken seriously.
How many times have I heard people on this baord say celebrities shouldn't talk about politics?
By the very nature of Rush's job his opinions and comments will be judged more critically than Carrie underwoods. AND THEY SHOULD BE.
Jay-Z hangs out with Lebron James, and Vince Carter. Rush hangs out with some of the most important political leaders in the country, of course his opinion is more important than a man named "Jay-Z"
Posted on 10/13/09 at 10:47 am to tigerguy121
FWIW, I don't think either of them should be prevented form ownership.
And I don't buy that Rush has some greater influence over people than Jay Z, I don't doubt rap music's influence over people at all.
The point is, no one had a problem with Jay Z and no one does now. But Rush (an entertainer, just like Jay Z) is a problem? Come on.
And I don't buy that Rush has some greater influence over people than Jay Z, I don't doubt rap music's influence over people at all.
The point is, no one had a problem with Jay Z and no one does now. But Rush (an entertainer, just like Jay Z) is a problem? Come on.
Posted on 10/13/09 at 10:49 am to supatigah
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) the Jay-Z comparison is ironic because it was a celebrated move for the NBA when he got involved. A guy that made a fortune with promoting music that glorifies misogyny, racism, violence, drugs, etc is a hero to the black community. Does anyone realize that you can't play the album cuts of Jay-Z's songs at NBA games because of how offensive and inappropriate they are?
This is where I am at. Celebs like Jay-Z who make money off the things you listed are celebrated as hero's and celebrated because they own stuff like Pro Franchises. When someone like Rush pops in and wants to do this, he is labeled a racist, and whatever else they want to call him. IMO it is mainly because he is A. Involved in Politics B. He's white.
Posted on 10/13/09 at 10:50 am to supatigah
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Sharpton and Jackson haven't gotten rich off of white people
Don't be so sure of that...
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funny because rush limbaugh and rev pat robertson don't speak for me either
I've never claimed that those guys speak for you, or any large segments of white America. HOWEVER, both here and just about every place else on-line, people claim that Jackson and Sharpton speak for Black America. Now, WHO they speak for in Black America, it's quite uncertain, because NO BLACK PERSON THAT I KNOW TAKES EITHER OF THOSE GUYS SERIOUSLY.
So to go back to the earlier claim that they make their money off of Black people, I don't see Blacks paying for their appearance fees, etc...
Posted on 10/13/09 at 10:53 am to tigerguy121
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Jay-Z hangs out with Lebron James, and Vince Carter. Rush hangs out with some of the most important political leaders in the country, of course his opinion is more important than a man named "Jay-Z"
So your saying Jay has no street cred?
Posted on 10/13/09 at 10:53 am to alajones
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And I don't buy that Rush has some greater influence over people than Jay Z, I don't doubt rap music's influence over people at all.
The amount of influence isn't the point. The point is whose opinion do you take more seriously and whose opinion do you think SHOULD be taken more seriously?
The man who works with "Linkin Park" or the one considered the unofficial voice of the Republican Party?
Someone comes up to me and says hey did you hear what Jay-Z said, and I don't give a frick.
Switch it with Rush and that shite matters.
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The point is, no one had a problem with Jay Z and no one does now. But Rush (an entertainer, just like Jay Z) is a problem? Come on.
If you think Rush and JayZ are on the same level and that all rush is an entertainer then I'm not sure what to say to you.
It's obvious that Rush has real power and influence on shaping the debate of national politics, something that Jay-Z does not.
Posted on 10/13/09 at 10:57 am to Sophandros
I think it's understandable for the Players Association to be up in arms against a man owning a team comprising of mainly African Americans, when said man once said "the NFL is basically Crips vs. Bloods with no knives and guns."
Posted on 10/13/09 at 10:57 am to Sophandros
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So to go back to the earlier claim that they make their money off of Black people, I don't see Blacks paying for their appearance fees, etc...
Ignorant Black people who don't know any better allow Jackson and Sharpton to speak for them. Just look when there is a huge racial controversy going on. Who's usually front and center. The NAACP, Jackson, and Sharpton.
Ignorant White people who don't know any better allow people like Rush Limbaugh to speak for them. Especially those who don't like having a democratic prez, or a black one at that.
Posted on 10/13/09 at 10:58 am to tigerguy121
quote:I thought the same way when I saw this.
If you think Rush and JayZ are on the same level and that all rush is an entertainer then I'm not sure what to say to you.
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the unofficial voice of the Republican Party?
Posted on 10/13/09 at 10:59 am to tigerguy121
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If you think Rush and JayZ are on the same level and that all rush is an entertainer then I'm not sure what to say to you.
It's obvious that Rush has real power and influence on shaping the debate of national politics, something that Jay-Z does not.
I would bet money that more than 50% of young black people know who Jay-Z is, and know lyrics line for line, more than they know who Jessie Jackson, Al Sharpton or Rush Limbaugh is. If you don't think the Jay-Z or any rapper for that matter has any pull with black people, young voters at that, your kidding yourself.
Posted on 10/13/09 at 11:01 am to alajones
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I thought the same way when I saw this.
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the unofficial voice of the Republican Party?
That is closer to being true, than Jay-Z and Rush being on the same level as entertainers.
There is at least a question of it. LINK
This post was edited on 10/13/09 at 11:03 am
Posted on 10/13/09 at 11:06 am to tigerguy121
Let me reiterate:
I don't care if Rush was the official spokesman of the GOP as well as a Grand Wizard in the KKK. If the guy is qualified financially to be a part owner of the Rams, that's his right, and it's the rights of the consumers to voice their discontent about it.
But to prevent him outright from ever purchasing the team, based solely on politics? I have a major problem with that.
I don't care if Rush was the official spokesman of the GOP as well as a Grand Wizard in the KKK. If the guy is qualified financially to be a part owner of the Rams, that's his right, and it's the rights of the consumers to voice their discontent about it.
But to prevent him outright from ever purchasing the team, based solely on politics? I have a major problem with that.
Posted on 10/13/09 at 11:12 am to Sophandros
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But to prevent him outright from ever purchasing the team, based solely on politics? I have a major problem with that.
Yes. I totally agree. I think what's going to happen is, Godell(sp) is going to meet with the group, and voice his concern, and they will probably in the end find another person. Just the controversy will deter them from making the move with Limbaugh on board. I can't remember the womans name, Marge Schott? That owned the cardinals in MLB i think that ran her racist mouth all over. I think the possibility of that happening will be what keeps the group from including Rush as part of the deal. Just the possibility that he will say something that will put a scarlet letter on the Rams and the NFL. Just watch.
Posted on 10/13/09 at 11:19 am to LordSaintly
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But Rush and Pat Robertson aren't regarded as the "leaders" of the white community like Sharpton and Jackson are for blacks.
what? Sharpton and Jackson are self appointed spokesmen, just like Limbaugh and Robertson. You just made my point for me, the only people that regard Sharpton, Robertson, Jackson and Limbaugh as "leaders" are their critics trying to disparage them
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The media has made them rich.
the media doesn't donate to their organizations
Posted on 10/13/09 at 11:19 am to emmanuellewis
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And as a poster pointed out early in the thread, there is a difference between what a rapper and a political commentator says. They should not carry equal weight.
they are both in the entertainment industry, they should not carry any "weight" at all
Posted on 10/13/09 at 11:19 am to Sophandros
double post, sorry
This post was edited on 10/13/09 at 11:22 am
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