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re: A team shouldn't be penalized for losing a conference championship game
Posted on 11/28/17 at 8:49 am to RidiculousHype
Posted on 11/28/17 at 8:49 am to RidiculousHype
quote:
Who did you beat?
The fallacy with this argument being that if a team beats everyone in front of them, but another team plays objectively “better” teams and loses more should they be in?
Agreed you shouldn’t look at W/L as the deciding factor, but you do have to factor it in somewhat.
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Posted on 11/28/17 at 8:52 am to RidiculousHype
quote:
1) Clemson beat the "playoff caliber team" you're talking about
In week 1 @ home, while Alabama played them in week 13 on the road...
Alabama > LSU > Syracuse > Clemson > Auburn > Alabama
Do you see how these arguments don't quite work?
Posted on 11/28/17 at 8:52 am to BornKjun
quote:
Hopefully the human factor included in the committee
To the best of my knowledge, every member of the Orange Bowl committee that chose Kansas over Missouri was human.
This post was edited on 11/28/17 at 8:57 am
Posted on 11/28/17 at 9:02 am to EvrybodysAllAmerican
quote:
8 team playoff, 5 conference champs and 3 at large. Everybody's happy.
This doesn't solve the OP's problem. Alabama would be guaranteed in under this scenario while Auburn would have the chance to fall out by losing to UGA.
Posted on 11/28/17 at 9:07 am to Ssubba
quote:
Agreed. Either make it a requirement to win your conference, or ignore/remove conference title games.
or get rid of divisions and have two best teams in each conference play.
Going to 8 is going to have even more teams getting in after taking the ccg week off.
This post was edited on 11/28/17 at 9:09 am
Posted on 11/28/17 at 9:15 am to Ssubba
quote:Debateable, it's certainly not a lock that Auburn is a better football team than Bama.
Yeah, they're a better team than Bama
Posted on 11/28/17 at 9:18 am to RidiculousHype
I couldn't agree with the OP more. However, the team with the bigger complaint is Wisconsin. They finished 12-0 while Ohio St. finished 10-2 and Bama finished 11-1. All things being equal, Wisconsin deserves to be in the playoffs ahead of those two teams. But things aren't equal. Wisconsin is forced to play an extra game because they did so well. If they lose, they almost assuredly get bumped from the playoffs in favor of Alabama and the rationale will be they both have 1 loss but Alabama is the better team (and I agree Alabama is subjectively the better team). But it's not an equal comparison. The ONLY reason Wisconsin has that one loss is because they had to play an extra game.
Posted on 11/28/17 at 9:19 am to shel311
They were Saturday... and that's all that really matters right????
Posted on 11/28/17 at 9:25 am to EvrybodysAllAmerican
quote:Think about how lame this would have made the Iron Bowl.
8 team playoff, 5 conference champs and 3 at large. Everybody's happy.
No thanks.
Posted on 11/28/17 at 9:29 am to RidiculousHype
quote:
The only reason they're in a position to lose a 2nd game at all is because of their excellence in the regular season.
The ACC Atlantic was shite this season. Clemson was the only team in the division with fewer than 4 losses. If they hadn't lost to a 4-8 Syracuse team, they still could probably get into the CFP with a loss in the ACC CG if it was a close game.
Posted on 11/28/17 at 9:32 am to ReauxlTide222
Would of made the Iron Bowl winner gets in basically? I guess your saying it would of killed the game because both teams are assured top 8? I would think the two teams would play to win and not count on a committee to get them in. That or for seeding.
Posted on 11/28/17 at 9:35 am to Greace
I'm not saying they wouldn't try. But I wouldn't have cared half as much about the game. Alabama would be in no matter what.
Posted on 11/28/17 at 9:40 am to dukke v
quote:If a 2 loss Auburn is better than a 1 loss Bama just because they beat Bama, then a 3 loss LSU is better than 2 loss Auburn based on that logic.
They were Saturday... and that's all that really matters right????
Posted on 11/28/17 at 9:41 am to shel311
One was played last week and the other was played over 5 weeks ago. Teams can grow in 5 weeks. Teams don't get that much better after 1.
Posted on 11/28/17 at 9:44 am to 13SaintTiger
quote:
I don’t even know why we play conference championship games
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Posted on 11/28/17 at 9:48 am to Greace
quote:No 1 week should be any more important than any other week.
One was played last week and the other was played over 5 weeks ago. Teams can grow in 5 weeks. Teams don't get that much better after 1.
And even though I don't agree with your logic, to play along, LSU's team is the best they've been all season right now, so you can't really argue your logic any way IMO.
Posted on 11/28/17 at 9:48 am to RidiculousHype
quote:
It might be better to scrap conference championship games altogether and expand to an 8-team playoff.
i think you will get many down votes because of how you worded the question. i get what you are saying though.
you are saying since they have to play one more game then everyone else does, that loss is not worse then a team who didnt play the extra game because if that is the case, you are automatically crediting them with assuming they had won a game they never played if you move them over a team that lost by playing an extra game.
i can see both sides of that coin but not sure how to "fairly" play these extra games unless the playoffs go like this:
5 major conferences settle who gets in with conference championship games as a first round playoff game
the 6 best non conference teams play in a first round playoff game at sites TBD.
after the dust settles you have 8 teams who battle it out on the field, not on who the best liked team is.
the 5 conference winners and 3 at large teams play in what is a second round of playoff games, then 2 final games are played to determine the teams playing for the national championship.
first week 16 teams, second week 8 teams, third week 4, then the national championship game in week 4.
this doesnt completely remove the current "popularity of team" always seems to get in over other teams with a better record that we have now (see ND, ohio state, alabama, etc), but it is about as close to a fair and unbiased record and play on the field gets you there system as you can ever get.
i personally like the 16 team playoff because it is the most fair and it means more games but it also competes with the 257 bowl games filled with 5-7 teams playing like we see now so for money reasons i doubt they would ever allow it. plus it takes away their ability to do things like last year with ohio state getting in when they never earned that right to be there if the system was fair
This post was edited on 11/28/17 at 10:00 am
Posted on 11/28/17 at 10:08 am to Alt26
I wonder if there would be a feasible way to tie the CCGs into the playoffs, basically making them the first round, in a pool of 13 teams
SEC CG
Auburn
Georgia
BIG12
Oklahoma
TCU
PAC12
USC
Washington
BIG10
Wisconsin
OSU
ACC
Miami
Clemson
Three at large teams:
Bama
Penn St
UCF??
admittedly, I didn’t put too much thought into this, so I’m sure there are holes to be found, but it keeps the relevance of the CCGs, while giving the bubble at large teams a chance.. the only unfair advantage I can immediately see would be teams like bama and PSU having a week off (but no shot at winning their conference)
The second round could possibly look like this (predicting the CCGs)
AU
Oklahoma
USC
OSU
Miami
Bama
PSU
UCF
Now you have an 8 team playoff, regular season is still important, and conference championships are still very important
This might make divisions within conferences irrelevant, which is fine IMO
Also - this setup gives us tons of good football games to watch
SEC CG
Auburn
Georgia
BIG12
Oklahoma
TCU
PAC12
USC
Washington
BIG10
Wisconsin
OSU
ACC
Miami
Clemson
Three at large teams:
Bama
Penn St
UCF??
admittedly, I didn’t put too much thought into this, so I’m sure there are holes to be found, but it keeps the relevance of the CCGs, while giving the bubble at large teams a chance.. the only unfair advantage I can immediately see would be teams like bama and PSU having a week off (but no shot at winning their conference)
The second round could possibly look like this (predicting the CCGs)
AU
Oklahoma
USC
OSU
Miami
Bama
PSU
UCF
Now you have an 8 team playoff, regular season is still important, and conference championships are still very important
This might make divisions within conferences irrelevant, which is fine IMO
Also - this setup gives us tons of good football games to watch
This post was edited on 11/28/17 at 10:12 am
Posted on 11/28/17 at 10:11 am to Mr. Hangover
The problem with this is Bama(Easiest team to use in this situation) auto gets a bye to the 2nd round. While not having to play in the first round
Posted on 11/28/17 at 10:11 am to BornKjun
THe SEC changed its rules because of this due to the 2012-2013 fiasco. Georgia is 11-1 and falls to Alabama in the SEC CG and falls to the capital one bowl while Florida goes on to the Sugar bowl to get trounced up Louisville
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