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re: A look back on 2019 lsu vs 2001 Miami and 1995 Nebraska
Posted on 7/14/22 at 8:58 am to lsupride87
Posted on 7/14/22 at 8:58 am to lsupride87
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2001 Miami
why are they included, because they had a bunch of good NFL players? This team isn't close to the goat
quote:
2 years removed, let’s check how lsu is doing with early nfl success
has less than nothing to do with how the teams should be judged in college
95 nebraska is the best ever and likely won't ever be challeneged
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Posted on 7/14/22 at 9:03 am to lsupride87
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Compared to national title teams? They have one top 10 win and very close games against two teams outside the top 15
We’ll have to agree to disagree. The two close games were on the road against top 25 teams and they kicked the shite out of a bunch of other good squads. I get where you’re coming from though considering Nebraska was not an elite national championship opponent
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3 of the last 4 national champs have far better seasons alone
Flattery won’t save you baw
This post was edited on 7/14/22 at 9:04 am
Posted on 7/14/22 at 9:12 am to lsupride87
quote:While true that this is how most generally view it, I don't think future NFL success matters at all if we're rating just who was the best team.
Part of the argument of GOAT team consists of college dominance as well as future football success
Miami lives off the rep of the NFL status of those guys, which was obviously top notch.
But as far as on the field performance, it's really hard to argue 2001 Miami over 2019 LSU. Miami came extremely close to losing to 1 very meh team and another ranked team, one being a 7-5 team that they were 9 yards away from losing the game in the final seconds.
LSU never had a game that close to losing. I don't think a team ever had the ball in the 4th with a chance to take the lead. I know UF was down 7 mid 4th, but I don't think they had the ball.
Then the main thing, when you factor in schedule and how LSU played something like 7 or 8 top 10 teams and the 2nd/3rd/4th ranked teams, it seems rather obvious that LSU's resume tops Miami IMO.
Nebraska has a better case. Not looking now but from what I recall, played more top teams than Miami but less than LSU but if you look at how absurd their domination was, I think you give them the nod over 2019 LSU.
This post was edited on 7/14/22 at 9:35 am
Posted on 7/14/22 at 9:13 am to lsupride87
andre johnson was better than chase or jefferson
ed reed is the best safety ever. let me know when one of the 2019 lsu players is being considered as the best nfl player ever at their position
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nfl success
ed reed is the best safety ever. let me know when one of the 2019 lsu players is being considered as the best nfl player ever at their position
Posted on 7/14/22 at 9:24 am to Lester Earl
quote:Playing one top 10 team, and that team being #8, is a VERY weak season for a national title team, Brether
Brether, stop.
Posted on 7/14/22 at 9:29 am to Winston Cup
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andre johnson was better than chase or jefferson
Jefferson and Chase have already either matched or eclipsed Johnson's best NFL season, and they are first and second year players. Miami had no other receiving talent besides Shockey (who played) on that team. Bracket coverage Shockey and put one of 2 all americans on Johnson and neither eclipse 100 yards.
quote:Well, they're all second year players, at most, so this is dumb.
ed reed is the best safety ever. let me know when one of the 2019 lsu players is being considered as the best nfl player ever at their position
Also, which side of the field does Ed Reed blanket? The side with Chase, the side with Marshall, or the middle with Jefferson, Moss, and CEH? No one in the history of college football, save for the 2010-2011 LSU and Bama teams, have the talent in the defensive backfield to cover all of LSU's offensive weapons. Jefferson and Chase have torched the best defensive backs in the NFL on a weekly basis for 2 years. No one has slowed them down. I mean a guy who is considered a top 5 CB in the NFL today had to literally be moved to LSU's 3rd WR in the national title because he was being abused so badly. The guy who led the NFL in interceptions this past year was burned for 140 yards.
The best safety of all time wouldn't slow down the passing attack LSU had that year. Especialliy a team from 2001, whose linebacker room is constructed to be hard-nosed and stop the run. Johnathon Vilma would be neutralized by LSU's offensive play style. They'd attack the middle all day long until Ed Reed adjusted and covered the middle, then they'd free up Chase and Marshall down the side line.
This post was edited on 7/14/22 at 9:37 am
Posted on 7/14/22 at 9:30 am to Glorious
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Flattery won’t save you baw
2019 lsu beat
#2,4,6 and 8
2020 Bama beat
2,4,5 and 7
2018 Clemson beat
2 and 3
2001 Miami beat
#8
Posted on 7/14/22 at 9:30 am to lsupride87
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Playing one top 10 team, and that team being #8, is a VERY weak season for a national title team, Brether
That doesn’t take away from how good that team was. But that may be lost on you watching as a 14yr old pridie.
Posted on 7/14/22 at 9:36 am to Lester Earl
quote:How about being a c.unt hair away to losing to a 7-5 team? Does that take away? Or what about struggling with another very average team? Does that matter?
That doesn’t take away from how good that team was.
There was absolutely nothing great or special about the 2001 Miami season. It’s entire legacy is built around what they did in the nfl
Posted on 7/14/22 at 9:36 am to Winston Cup
quote:Joe Burrow on the 2019 LSU team had the best single season ever for a college football player at the QB position, which is more important than the safety position.
ed reed is the best safety ever. let me know when one of the 2019 lsu players is being considered as the best nfl player ever at their position
What Ed Reed did in the NFL doesn't make his college team any better, so Burrow is rather clearly MUCH MUCH MUCH better in college purely due to the position he played and that he played it better than Reed played his position in college.
Posted on 7/14/22 at 9:40 am to lsupride87
If your prerequisite for being a top 15 team is playing no close games, you aren’t going to have much of a list
Posted on 7/14/22 at 9:40 am to Cajunhawk81
quote:Is it?
Holy Recent Bias, Batman!!
The data backs it up as well, especially doing LSU vs 2001 Miami. 2001 Miami has virtually zero argument as the better team.
Posted on 7/14/22 at 9:40 am to lsupride87
I would have loved to see that 2001 LSU team play Miami in the Fiests Bowl. It would have been a much better game and I would give LSU a great shot at winning.
Posted on 7/14/22 at 9:41 am to Lester Earl
A prerequisite is beating other good teams as well as dominating not good teams
2001 Miami didn’t have a very special season. That isn’t really arguable
2001 Miami didn’t have a very special season. That isn’t really arguable
Posted on 7/14/22 at 9:42 am to Glorious
quote:VT had the ball down 2 with a couple of minutes to go near midfield.
6-24 @Virginia Tech. The latter of which, the Canes led 26-10 in the 4th
quote:7-5 BC was down 12-7 and had the ball I believe inside the Miami 10 yardline with around :20 seconds to go.
and I’m seeing only 2 close games. 18-7 @Boston College
quote:There's probably a long list of national champs who never had 1 game that close in the 4th, 2019 LSU certainly doesn't. 2001 Miami has 2, and again, 1 to a 7-5 team where they were 9 yards away from a loss.
I’m not seeing pedestrian
Posted on 7/14/22 at 9:44 am to Lester Earl
quote:What does their college resume for 2001 suggest that they're legit all time great?
Brether, stop.
Posted on 7/14/22 at 9:46 am to Lester Earl
quote:What does tell us how good they were?
That doesn’t take away from how good that team was
They played a lesser schedule than many title teams and came dangerously close to losing, unlike quite a few of those teams who played tougher schedules, so what in their resume suggests they were on the shortlist of best college team ever?
Posted on 7/14/22 at 9:47 am to Lester Earl
quote:You're saying a lot of things but you've yet to say 1 thing on why they deserve to be in the GOAT discussion.
If your prerequisite for being a top 15 team is playing no close games, you aren’t going to have much of a list
Posted on 7/14/22 at 9:49 am to lsupride87
I think future pro success matters more in 2022 than it did in 1995, but it should be more to give context to how good that particular team is and not really used to compare teams that are years apart.
Football is a different game now than it was in '95 or even '01.
Football is a different game now than it was in '95 or even '01.
Posted on 7/14/22 at 9:50 am to lsupride87
Nebraska would score points on LSU but they wouldn’t be able to stop Burrow and those receivers barring a shite ton of turnovers and drops.
2001 Da U defense vs ‘19 LSU offense is the dream matchup
2001 Da U defense vs ‘19 LSU offense is the dream matchup
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