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re: 3 timeouts and you try a 64 yd FG?
Posted on 9/12/22 at 10:25 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
Posted on 9/12/22 at 10:25 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
quote:No you are trying to weasel out short stack. He let the clock go down because he knew he was kicking it. It’s all one in the same here
You moved the goal posts. That's what I said to do. Once you don't take the timeout it changes the equation because you can't move the ball further forward.
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Posted on 9/12/22 at 10:26 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
Take your L bro.
Posted on 9/12/22 at 10:27 pm to SirWinston
Even at 20 seconds, you have time for multiple plays with ease with 3 timeouts. It was braindead coaching.
Posted on 9/12/22 at 10:28 pm to LSUlefty
Even Les Miles is...
On clock management...
And endgame FGs. Surprised Denver didn't run the clock down and spike the ball with 0 seconds left.
On clock management...
And endgame FGs. Surprised Denver didn't run the clock down and spike the ball with 0 seconds left.
Posted on 9/12/22 at 10:29 pm to lsupride87
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You are assuming the get exactly 5 yards only
Correct. Denver averaged 6.5 yards per play. They're going to call a play to get a first down so let's say 57 yards. You have to first calculate the chance you actually get the first down then calculate the chance you make the field goal.
Whats the delta between the 64 yard field goal and 57 yard field goal and is it worth it when you account for the chance you actually move the chains?
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After the first down if they made it, they would have 40 plus seconds and two timeouts still to get even more yards
But they didn't call the timeout. They should have, like I said on the first page, but they didn't. That changes the calculus.
Edit: about a 20% difference between a 58 and 64 yard field goal
This post was edited on 9/12/22 at 10:34 pm
Posted on 9/12/22 at 10:31 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
quote:No, just no. This is your first post
But they didn't call the timeout. They should have, like I said on the first page, but they didn't. That changes the calculus
quote:You liked the entirety of the play from the running the clock to the kick. You didn’t change your shite until you started getting called out
Because the kicker can make it and win the game. I have no problem with kicking it there. McManus has plenty of leg. He missed it, score more the 16 points in the other 59 minutes of the game
Posted on 9/12/22 at 10:32 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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Mingo Was His NameO
It’s 64 yards, retard. The longest field goal ever made in the NFL is 69 yards. You’d think these would be the head and special teams coach to do such a thing:
Posted on 9/12/22 at 10:32 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
I actually am coming around to your point of view.
Making a 64 yarder was probably better odds than converting a 4th and 6 and then making a 56 yarder.
Make 64 yarder: 33%
Convert 4th down: 50%
Make 56 yard FG: 60%
The entire playcalling was so bad all day though so it's hard to give Hackett the benefit of the doubt
Making a 64 yarder was probably better odds than converting a 4th and 6 and then making a 56 yarder.
Make 64 yarder: 33%
Convert 4th down: 50%
Make 56 yard FG: 60%
The entire playcalling was so bad all day though so it's hard to give Hackett the benefit of the doubt
This post was edited on 9/12/22 at 10:34 pm
Posted on 9/12/22 at 10:33 pm to LSUlefty
Horrible clock management and pitiful 2 min. offense on the last drive. Denver only managed to gained 32 yards in 3:47.
Posted on 9/12/22 at 10:34 pm to OMLandshark
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OMLandshark
You're too busy creeping on bartenders and then bitching about it to understand the math.
Don't you have some political melt that's more important?
Posted on 9/12/22 at 10:35 pm to SirWinston
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Making a 64 yarder was probably better odds than converting a 4th and 6 and then making a 56 yarder.
No it isn’t. I’m sure that’s happened way more times than a 64 yarder. Again the record is only five yards further. And regardless, he had a time out to get a minute. He may be the single worst coach I’ve ever seen. I’d be a better coach than this clown, and I don’t know dick about football. I’d know to call a time out.
Posted on 9/12/22 at 10:35 pm to NOBigEZ
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Horrible clock management and pitiful 2 min
Infinitely more important that choosing to kick with 20 seconds left. Not debatable
Posted on 9/12/22 at 10:35 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
They also showed a stat that McManus was 7/11 on FG to tie or take the lead under 2 minutes. They didn't show the yardage, but that's only a 64% success rate at all distances, now 7/12 (58%).
No way I'd leave a game up to his foot unless there were no other options.
No way I'd leave a game up to his foot unless there were no other options.
This post was edited on 9/12/22 at 10:36 pm
Posted on 9/12/22 at 10:36 pm to SirWinston
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Make 64 yarder: 33%
Nice try here. That isn’t close to being accurate. It’s just that only 3 kickers have tried from that distance in the timeframe the study took place and one made it
Posted on 9/12/22 at 10:37 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
I’d think every pro kicker CAN make it from 64…can they do it in a game to win…not today.
Posted on 9/12/22 at 10:37 pm to OMLandshark
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No it isn’t.
It's calcuable, show your work.
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I’m sure that’s happened way more times than a 64 yarde
Doesn't mean it's more probable. If I try something twice and do it once or try something 5,000 times and do it three times, which is more likely?
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I’d be a better coach than this clown,
You'd be too busy crying on the internet about your involuntary incel status
Posted on 9/12/22 at 10:38 pm to lsupride87
Dude he barely missed it.
Of kickers that routinely have that kind of range I bet you the success rate from 64 yards and out the last 5 years is 33% or higher. We're in the golden age of kicking now and stats from 30, 20, or even 10 years ago aren't as relevant
Of kickers that routinely have that kind of range I bet you the success rate from 64 yards and out the last 5 years is 33% or higher. We're in the golden age of kicking now and stats from 30, 20, or even 10 years ago aren't as relevant
This post was edited on 9/12/22 at 10:41 pm
Posted on 9/12/22 at 10:38 pm to lsupride87
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Nice try here. That isn’t close to being accurate. It’s just that only 3 kickers have tried from that distance in the timeframe the study took place and one made it
It's like 21%
Posted on 9/12/22 at 10:39 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
But many of those attempts came from kickers that didn't really have the range.
McManus clearly has the range so his odds are higher than the total attempted / made stats
McManus clearly has the range so his odds are higher than the total attempted / made stats
Posted on 9/12/22 at 10:40 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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You have to calculate the chances of getting a first down and then making a 59 yard field goal opposed to just a 64 yard field goal. Could you let me know the numbers on that? Answer: no, you can't
I’m sure someone can figure out the math. Converting a five yard first down with your superstar qb you just traded for has to be decent odds though. With a bunch of timeouts left.
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