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re: 2024 Formula 1 season Thread
Posted on 11/25/24 at 3:43 pm to VABuckeye
Posted on 11/25/24 at 3:43 pm to VABuckeye
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So, 22 on the grid? Woohoo!
Is there enough room in the pits for 2 more teams?
Practice will be even harder to find a clean lap now. And starts will be dicier.
And Vegas already has last 4 grid starters lining up at angle on corner this will make it even more angled
This post was edited on 11/25/24 at 3:45 pm
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Posted on 11/25/24 at 3:49 pm to MississippiLebowski
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Could also see them going after Alex Palou. He’s already driven for Cadillac Racing in Le Mans.
Palou is a damn good racer. But I don't know that he has the raw speed of Herta or O'Ward if we're talking IndyCar drivers. The lack of F1 testing would hurt him I think. Right now I think O'Ward is the most proven IndyCar driver because of his F1 sessions.
Posted on 11/25/24 at 3:54 pm to OU Guy
They’ve had 22 and 24 cars on the grid in recent years since I’ve been watching for the last 15 years or so.
Posted on 11/25/24 at 3:56 pm to s14suspense
When was last time to have 22?
Posted on 11/25/24 at 3:58 pm to OU Guy
rules call for up to 12 teams i believe. bmw, i'm looking at you 
Posted on 11/25/24 at 4:01 pm to 1999
24 cars will make so many more problems but fun for us fans. Practice will be tough to find a clean lap. Pits more congested. Once race starts its going to be more fun though
This post was edited on 11/25/24 at 4:01 pm
Posted on 11/25/24 at 4:02 pm to OU Guy
Glanced and saw 2010 had 12 teams. It was all pre-hybrid era
Posted on 11/25/24 at 4:04 pm to OU Guy
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Is there enough room in the pits for 2 more teams?
The Concorde Agreement allows up to 12 teams / 24 drivers. I wonder if this means that the newer circuits had to make sure they could accommodate this many drivers. F1 had 26 drivers on the grid between 1982 to 1995 (except Monaco which couldn't accommodate 26 cars until 1987). Looks like the last time there were 22 cars on the grid was 2016, not that long ago.
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Practice will be even harder to find a clean lap now. And starts will be dicier.
The F1 grids used to be bigger and they managed it. The structure of today's qualy procedure as well as the nature of today's tires has created this situation where everyone is complaining about traffic. They've handled the traffic in the past. Maybe they need to change the tires so that there's no advantage to doing slow cooldown laps before another hot lap. It's a modern thing and it's stupid.
Edit: The older tires used for qualy were probably good for one or two hot laps then were done, thus no dawdling around. The newer tires are probably much more resilient, creating this situation. So yes, improved technology, worse show.
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And Vegas already has last 4 grid starters lining up at angle on corner this will make it even more angled
It was like this on Silverstone's old start-finish straight. I thought it was really cool to have a curved starting grid.
This post was edited on 11/25/24 at 4:08 pm
Posted on 11/25/24 at 4:20 pm to TouchedTheAxeIn82
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And Vegas already has last 4 grid starters lining up at angle on corner this will make it even more angled
That’s a good point though. Felt painfully slow waiting on all the cars to line up. They should speed that up some.
Posted on 11/25/24 at 5:20 pm to s14suspense
With the size and speed of these things, another two teams on the grid is going to make Monaco a fricking trainwreck for quali.
It already is, but this just expounds the problem.
It already is, but this just expounds the problem.
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Posted on 11/25/24 at 5:27 pm to Lsut81
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With the size and speed of these things, another two teams on the grid is going to make Monaco a fricking trainwreck for quali.
It already is, but this just expounds the problem.
It’s Monaco. No one gives a shite.
Posted on 11/25/24 at 6:26 pm to 1999
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will gm demand an american driver like audi wanted a german?
Make the call
This post was edited on 11/25/24 at 6:41 pm
Posted on 11/25/24 at 6:29 pm to 1999
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will gm demand an american driver like audi wanted a german?
Make the second call
This post was edited on 11/25/24 at 6:41 pm
Posted on 11/25/24 at 6:42 pm to TigerFanatic99
Sorry, what's her name?
Posted on 11/25/24 at 7:59 pm to TouchedTheAxeIn82
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The older tires used for qualy were probably good for one or two hot laps then were done, thus no dawdling around.
Pirelli gets to make the tires because they play by the stupid degradation rules. Michelin has stated that they can make a performance tire that will last an entire race but the FIA wants none of that.
Posted on 11/25/24 at 10:20 pm to VABuckeye
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Pirelli gets to make the tires because they play by the stupid degradation rules. Michelin has stated that they can make a performance tire that will last an entire race but the FIA wants none of that.
Oh, I think we are on the opposite side of this conversation.
I read that as well, Michelin can build a good tire that will last a whole race but doesn't want to make a crappier tire for the sake of the show. But managing tire wear and setting strategy based on the lap time / longevity balance between different compounds are classic skills for drivers and strategists that I don't want to see go away. I want a range of tires that make it a difficult choice between two and three pits stops, not between one and two pits stops. So I want the tires to be in a softer (higher degradation) range than they are now. And I want refueling to be brought back, which would actually create demand for softer tires, because you could choose to run light fuel loads the whole race (three pit stops) as long as there is a tire fast enough to compensate for the extra pit stop. The drivers would love to do all out sprints for each stint.Posted on 11/25/24 at 10:38 pm to VABuckeye
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Michelin has stated that they can make a performance tire that will last an entire race but the FIA wants none of that.
Tire degradation is a good wrinkle into the race craft and team planning imo
Posted on 11/25/24 at 10:40 pm to MikeD
Posted on 11/25/24 at 10:56 pm to BuckyCheese
OK, this guy says that the reason Gasly's car failed was a combination of:
1. The really low downforce everyone was running at Las Vegas.
2. Alpine running a short 8th gear.
3. A great tow from his buddy Yuki.
The overrev killed the engine.
1. The really low downforce everyone was running at Las Vegas.
2. Alpine running a short 8th gear.
3. A great tow from his buddy Yuki.
The overrev killed the engine.
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Tire degradation is a good wrinkle into the race craft and team planning imo
Absolutely
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