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Posted on 7/20/23 at 8:10 am to
Posted by YOURADHERE
Member since Dec 2006
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Posted on 7/20/23 at 8:10 am to
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I thank whoever brought that guy up on this board.

*He needs to do more vids. The guy is hilarious.




I think that was me.

And yea, I wish he'd release a race review after each race kind of like he did for the 2022 season, or atleast most of the races. From what I understand he releases a good bit of content on Patreon for $3.50/month. I can't say I blame him for just doing the occasional Youtube video, looks like he's making about $20k/month from Patreon.
Posted by Hogssmellgood
Hog in Vol land
Member since Nov 2012
2163 posts
Posted on 7/20/23 at 8:10 am to
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I also want to thank everyone in this thread. Y'all have been very welcoming to this new F1 fan.


Yep. This. I just started this season and I've really enjoyed keeping up with this thread. I normally can't watch the races live so as soon as I watch them I scroll back to see all the reactions and talking points in here. Also, as much as I liked DTS, people like 1999 and fightin tigers (and I know there are others in here, too) have done a way better job at explaining certain things about F1 than that show has ever done.
This post was edited on 7/20/23 at 8:12 am
Posted by kengel2
Team Gun
Member since Mar 2004
33723 posts
Posted on 7/20/23 at 8:29 am to
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Let’s take a pole. Who out qualifies who. Up vote for Danny Ric. Downvote for Yuki.


I think theyre both overrated drivers in a shitty car.

Im guessing Yuki because he's had more time in the car and Danny Ric didnt lose his seat because he was doing good.
Posted by jefforize
Member since Feb 2008
45897 posts
Posted on 7/20/23 at 8:44 am to
upgraded sidepods for the Red Bull

Posted by YOURADHERE
Member since Dec 2006
8500 posts
Posted on 7/20/23 at 8:49 am to
Turns out Mercedes zero side pod and skinny inlets were correct, Newey is just going to show them they just had them pointed the wrong way
Posted by fightin tigers
Downtown Prairieville
Member since Mar 2008
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Posted on 7/20/23 at 10:58 am to
Last year either Newey or Racey said that RBR went down the path of zero-pods early on, but realized the gains weren't there.

Would be great to see them figure out the issue. Merc allegedly have rear end issues that will limit them until they can have a whole concept change.

Also, anyone follow the spending cap chatter? 4 teams alleged this time?
Posted by BuckyCheese
Member since Jan 2015
57778 posts
Posted on 7/20/23 at 11:54 am to
Hulk goes for the Ken look. Instafgram pic

"A little PR may be a good thing"
Posted by 1999
Where I be
Member since Oct 2009
33643 posts
Posted on 7/20/23 at 1:59 pm to
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| Sam Collins said something very interesting on F1TV regarding Red Bull's upgrades He thinks that Red Bull were extremely clever with the redesign of the radiators, as they dont use any wind tunnel allocation. He basically calls it a "free" upgrade. He also thinks that the upgrade will be worth MORE than two tenths


Posted by fightin tigers
Downtown Prairieville
Member since Mar 2008
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Posted on 7/20/23 at 2:09 pm to
RBR is in a hugly advantageous position right now. They can take these types of risk because they have such a gap points and pace.

Worst case they come in just off the podium a race or two and revert back. Or revert back after practice sessions when something doesn't work. Great work around for their penalty from last year.
Posted by UncleFestersLegs
Member since Nov 2010
16879 posts
Posted on 7/20/23 at 3:09 pm to
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thinks that Red Bull were extremely clever with the redesign of the radiators, as they dont use any wind tunnel allocation
how? Are their computer sims so good they don't need a wind tunnel for sidepod design?
Posted by BottomlandBrew
Member since Aug 2010
29869 posts
Posted on 7/20/23 at 4:25 pm to
Adrian Newey uses Max in races as his wind tunnel.
Posted by YOURADHERE
Member since Dec 2006
8500 posts
Posted on 7/20/23 at 4:29 pm to
I want to know how much $$$ the Barbie movie has thrown at F1 to cross promote the movie? You've got Barbie related social media post from Red Bull, McLaren, and Alpine so far, Nico shows up bleach blonde, etc.
Posted by UncleFestersLegs
Member since Nov 2010
16879 posts
Posted on 7/20/23 at 5:11 pm to
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Red Bull were extremely clever with the redesign of the radiators, as they dont use any wind tunnel allocation.
I just watched the hungaro warmup. What is this frickery?
Posted by billjamin
Houston
Member since Jun 2019
18016 posts
Posted on 7/20/23 at 5:39 pm to
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I want to know how much $$$ the Barbie movie has thrown at F1 to cross promote the movie? You've got Barbie related social media post from Red Bul

Barbi covering Racey’s catering budget?
Posted by BuckyCheese
Member since Jan 2015
57778 posts
Posted on 7/20/23 at 5:40 pm to
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Sam Collins said something very interesting on F1TV regarding Red Bull's upgrades He thinks that Red Bull were extremely clever with the redesign of the radiators, as they dont use any wind tunnel allocation. He basically calls it a "free" upgrade. He also thinks that the upgrade will be worth MORE than two tenths


Sam Collins is a moron and I don't believe a word he says.
Posted by BuckyCheese
Member since Jan 2015
57778 posts
Posted on 7/20/23 at 10:51 pm to
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Are the brakes to blame?

So far, Haas has narrowed his tire issues down to the small aerodynamic window alone. However, a close analysis of the problems revealed that the brakes could also be to blame. We explain what the engineers found out.

Rain or temperatures below 20 degrees are ideal for Haas. But you can't choose the weather. But when it's cool and rainy, like in the sprint in Spielberg, then it's enough to score championship points. Because the Haas VF-23 is basically a fast car. He's just putting too much strain on his tires.

When looking for the reasons, the engineers first concentrated on the usual suspects. The aerodynamics and the chassis. It's no secret that the Haas only generates its downforce in a small window.

To keep it in there, the suspension has to be trimmed to be hard or super hard, depending on the track. That depends on what ground clearance the circuit requires and how far that is from the window where the car performs best.

Trust cannot be measured
The first order therefore went to the aerodynamicists to build a more forgiving car. Of course, they don't like to hear that, because it's sort of a covert criticism of the priorities set in the design office. First of all, it is difficult to argue against great wind tunnel data. But what good are nice numbers if the driver doesn't have confidence in his car at all times? "And trust can not be measured in the wind tunnel," regrets Ferrari engineer Jock Clear.

From the second lap with fresh tires, modern Formula 1 cars leave the virtual world and arrive in reality. Because the parameters that new tires cover are getting worse and worse. Traffic, diagonal flow, wind, temperature fluctuations, decreasing weight and declining tire grip also come into play in the race. That's where the Haas had his biggest problems.

The tire drama was actually not always the same. Analysis found it was worst on circuits where braking is hard and heavy and where there is no cool down period for the brakes. And where the layout was fluid and little braking energy was generated, it was the least dramatic.

Too much braking is bad for Haas
In fact, Haas only scored his World Championship points on routes with little braking load, if you exclude the half rain sprint in Spielberg. The conditions were just right. Kevin Magnussen finished tenth in Jeddah and Miami. Both liquid courses. Nico Hulkenberg scored six points in Melbourne. A smooth course after the conversion in 2022.

That's why the team pinned their hopes on Silverstone. And Haas had tire wear under control there too, which nobody noticed given the modest result. "Tyre wear was better than expected," said Magnussen. The Dane was still on his first set of tires when he ran aground with engine trouble.

Nico Hülkenberg was unable to demonstrate the staying power of his tires because Sergio Perez ripped off his front wing on lap four. With that the race was over. However, evidence of moderate wear and tear was that Hulkenberg set his personal fastest lap on the last lap. The soft rubbers had already had 20 laps on the tread.

Conflicting goals for the brakes
But what do tire temperatures, which are almost always too high on the Haas, have to do with how many braking points a racetrack has? The brakes radiate heat through the rims. The trick is to use this heat. It's welcome when the tires are warming up, but often a hindrance in endurance runs.

A Red Bull has this conflict of goals under control. But even at Mercedes, you have to ask yourself whether the factory team always has the issue under control, despite all the analysis tools, data collection and simulations. At Ferrari there are even greater doubts. So solving this problem isn't trivial, especially for a small team like Haas.

It is not simply done by screwing larger cooling shafts to the wheel carrier. Too much cooling doesn't help either. Since the front wheel brakes at Haas often ran too hot, sometimes even at the same level as the rear wheel brakes, the cooling system at the front was changed in a rush job for Silverstone. But it is only a first step.

The brake ventilation on the rear wheels takes time. Because they are even more aerodynamically critical than their front counterparts. According to the team, this will last until after the summer break.

In some cases, that's not all. The performance of the rear brakes depends on the brake-by-wire setting. Depending on the situation, the engine brake takes on more or less deceleration work when recuperating the energy. This relieves or loads the proper brakes. With Ferrari having similar tire wear concerns, the root problem may even lie in Maranello.

When braking, there is a second test for the tires. The car dives in at the front, which briefly increases ground clearance at the rear. With top aerodynamics, this means a loss of downforce. Then the rear slips, the brakes are hot anyway, and one thing leads to another. So you don't have to be surprised if the tire temperatures go through the roof.

https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/formel-1/haas-problem-reifenverschleiss-bremsen/
Posted by pweezy
Member since Oct 2018
477 posts
Posted on 7/21/23 at 6:34 am to
Checo wtf.

Danny ric may be in the Red Bull tomorrow
Posted by 1999
Where I be
Member since Oct 2009
33643 posts
Posted on 7/21/23 at 6:36 am to
Oh man, this is getting bad.

Can’t tell me he’s not feeling the heat now.
Posted by UncleFestersLegs
Member since Nov 2010
16879 posts
Posted on 7/21/23 at 6:49 am to
Checo fricking it into the barrier is becoming a thing.

this dude is broken
Posted by TouchedTheAxeIn82
near the Apple spaceship
Member since Nov 2012
7378 posts
Posted on 7/21/23 at 6:50 am to
Perez


Danica is annoying to listen to.
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